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From: PajaP on 2 Jan 2010 05:26 On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:41:31 -0500, Leythos <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote: >At this time, based on all of the products I've tested, only Avira has >managed to pass the basic home user compromise issues. Yes, these are 'your' tests. Your opinion stated on newsnet with no evidence to back any "claims". >For more than a decades I ran businesses on Symantec corporate edition >software and had never had one network/system compromised, we had non- >managed networks running many other solutions, they never fared as well >and we picked up a lot of clients because of our record. We have always >had a single computer in a separate DMZ network to download file/misc >from the wild and had it compromised in 10 seconds last month - typed in >incorrect Microsoft website address and was redirected to a malware site >that required no additional clicks/actions to take over the machine. >Cleaned the machine (restored a ghost image) and started testing with >the latest version of all the major players - only Avira Antivir, even >the free version, detected and blocked it from controlling the system. Wow, it passes one test. Bravo! And again this is not evidence to me. This is the 'opinion' and so called 'real life' experience (snooze) of one person in newsnet, who to me could be an 8 year old child. When are you going to realise, mentioning you real-world experiences (true or not) score no points in usenet. If you want to do this then start to back your 'claims' up with evidence and ensure your tests are not biased towards one product. What you accuse me of below you do yourself. Coming up with more stories to try and sell me Avira. I am not interested. I remember reading the thread and thinking then I could smell BS. Maybe this is why I take your 'opinions' with a pinch of salt now (sorry, but you brought it up). >McAfee, MSE, AVG didn't even notice it, so, there you go, that's why I'm >currently giving support/praise to Avira products. Bravo for you. You manage to find one example that only Avira detected. >> >we're not showing an Anti-MS bias, we're relating our >> >experience, decades of it, across thousands of PC, across multiple >> >products. Not 'we're'. 'YOU' are the one, maybe not exactly showing anti-MS bias, though some of your comments about it "pretending' to be an AV may indicate otherwise. You are certainly trying to 'sell' (maybe not in any financial sense of the word) Avira to me. I am not interested. >> There you go again assuming you are the only one that has decades of >> experience and thousands of PCs. > >And yet you seem to be attacking people for their experience, their >real-world experience across more systems that you've claimed to have >tested on/with..... Each time someone in group points out one of your >flaws you come back with a little different story.... I am attacking no-one. I would suggest in this thread, quite the opposite has happened. If anyone has been attacked for his opinion it is me, for daring to prefer MSE over Avira. Maybe my comebacks have been a 'bit' strong, but you accuse me of making up stories and my comments not being valid (and that is putting it lightly), so I am and will continue to be justified. My involvement in this thread was to state that Avira has caused some slow down on my system and on others I know of. This is fact. I provide no evidence of this. You start to demand I produce evidence or my statements will be worthless. Yet you continue to make statements and try to sell Avira without providing any of this evidence yourself. You are a hypocrite and an Avira shill. You decided to jump in trying to sell to me that Avira is a great product and I should start to use it. I am not interested. When will you understand I have no intention of switching to Avira? I am not going to start to use it on the opinion of one person in usenet (or even 3 or 4). Especially when I have already tested it and found it does not meet my requirements. I have a product, MSE, that meets my needs. I have read many reviews on it from sources I trust, not from some shill in a newsgroup. It works for me. It does not bug me with requests to buy it. You are worse than a door-to-door salesman trying to sell me encyclopedia. Well like I would slam the door on the salesman, I am going to killfile you and suggest you do the same to me. You will make no sale here!
From: Cronos on 2 Jan 2010 09:45 PajaP wrote: > Agreed. You just agreed wit a troll. Haha.
From: Cronos on 2 Jan 2010 10:00 Leythos wrote: > I suppose that you're one of those that believes Defrag is not needed > and doesn't help performance, because people at CNET or PCMag did a > article on it and said it doesn't help.... > Rod Speed and quite a few others in 'c.s.ibm.pc.hardware.storage' group claim this is a fact. I've never seen CNET or PCMag say it is not needed, in fact, they say it is because they parrot the populist opinion.
From: Leythos on 2 Jan 2010 10:01 In article <9p4uj59kcet5np19hhqk0mdr7mh2g2ike2(a)4ax.com>, pajap(a)news- only.co.uk.invalid says... > My involvement in this thread was to state that Avira has caused some > slow down on my system and on others I know of. This is fact. I provide > no evidence of this. You start to demand I produce evidence or my > statements will be worthless. Yet you continue to make statements and > try to sell Avira without providing any of this evidence yourself. You > are a hypocrite and an Avira shill. > You posted information that contradicts your own statements. You said that MSE worked better than Avira + MBAM resident - that's what started this discussion. I asked a few questions and you accused me of being anti-MS. The fact that we discussed, several times, that you didn't test MSE + MBAM for the same performance issues, and then you later claim you did, gives reason to believe your methodology is flawed and that you're unable to see how it's flawed. As for "demand" - you kept stating something that several of us have not seen, it was a simple request, what is your machine setup/details so that we can determine if you have a situation that we've not already seen/experienced - and you waffled around providing the details. I have nothing vested in Avira, get no compensation from them or any other company for their product or my review of it, and I am not connected by ANY means to any other antimalware/antivirus vendor. I don't continue to "Sell" you on Avira, I continue to try and get you to see your flawed methodology, your failure to actually see the difference in the protection provided by MSE and Avira (or most other products) and your changing story. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: PajaP on 2 Jan 2010 10:49
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 06:45:42 -0800, Cronos <cronos(a)sphere.invalid> wrote: >PajaP wrote: > >> Agreed. > >You just agreed wit a troll. Haha. I agree with you. See I just agreed with another troll. Though this time he is also a fuckwit. I am putting you in the killfile too as you are the one who started all the hostilities in the thread. Proving you are a fuckwit troll!! |