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From: Sam Wormley on 30 May 2010 12:41 On 5/29/10 5:02 PM, rick_s wrote: > Ok, so we look back in time through a telescope I suppose the big > question is when we look at pond water under a microscope, are we also > looking back in time? > To the extent that the light takes some finite amount of time from the pond water through the optics to your eye. Typically on the order of 1 ns.
From: Sam Wormley on 30 May 2010 12:44 On 5/29/10 5:35 PM, rick_s wrote: > On 5/30/2010 6:19, Sam Wormley wrote: >> On 5/29/10 2:41 PM, rick_s wrote: >>> What about the permittivity and permeability of free space? I think >>> there must be some minute drag if for no other reason then perfect >>> uniform motion is impossible in a curvy non-Euclidean universe. >> >> What about permittivity and permeability of free space? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permittivity >> >> Think about what a straight line is in curved spacetime. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic > > Well as long as its a geodesic, but what about currents and turbulence > and frame dragging etc. Between galaxies it is like a spiderweb. > > And a spiral within galaxies and probably in black holes as well. > > I think in fact we will find that if you could see dark energy in this > solar system, then you would see that the planets are sitting on giant > waves. Maybe in a trough, tilting their axis, or riding the crest. > Caused by the sun. > Since it has a deep gravity well, it has to have the opposite force the > cosmological constant or dark energy to offset that. > Gravitation dominates locally (solar systems, galaxies and galactic clusters) over Dark Energy.
From: rick_s on 17 Jun 2010 13:06 > We can now tell the temperature of that grapefruit by hitting it like that. > > So we can tell how hot it is, but we can't tell .... what? Where is the > symmetry? > > Is the grapefruit alive or dead? > Ok, I have a bowl of porridge and I hit it with my IR temp gun and I see that it is just right. To the left I have a bowl of porridge that is too cool and to the far right, a bowl of porridge that is too hot. My IR temp gun is equipped with a laser sight so that if the porridge moves, I can clock it. Because I am a scientist, that's my job, that's what we do. Fact gathering and I don't ask why because according to the Baconian method, only the top 3 people are supposed to be able to see the big picture and draw conclusions using the inductive method. So the porridge moves. Faster than a sponge migration the porridge begins to move across the table. As it moves towards the left, the porridge on the left begins to move towards the porridge on the right. Ever so slightly. They are also using the air around them to help them unite and achieve equilibrium. They want to find a balance between them. So why the left bowl? Were there more atoms in it? Was the table sloped that way? Gravity? Magnetism? Dark Energy? IR waves canceling each other out? Well it could be anything but the interesting part is that by natural law, they will seek equilibrium. Due to kinetic forces. Billiard balls. F=ma. You see this is where the idea of conservation of energy comes from. That when they seek equilibrium, one receives energy and the other gives energy but no energy is lost (in a closed system.) The energy transfers and it does so without losing energy although the idea of a closed system is like the idea of a perfect vacuum. It is a form and not one of the perfect Platonic solids. For instance if you bring two metal plates together you can get energy from the vacuum between them. Zero point energy. The Casimir Effect. Drawing energy from the waves that exist below the level of detection, or put another way, virtual particles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect (That's not the same as using plates to create hho which is just breaking the covalent bond of water.) You need geometry to tap into the vacuum of space. You need geometry that can resonate with the quantum foam. Lets pretend the shape of a quantum foam bubble was a golf ball with deeper dimples and smooth sinusoidal curves. A zillion times larger than that if we had some type of larger bunch of these things arranged in a sphere, if the (mean) diameter of these objects was proportional to Plank Length (here you need to do some experimentation since you are using a mean diameter) and you could get them to vibrate, then with some feedback, you can amplify that vibrational pattern. If you put the contents under a _bit of pressure, that should stabilize the flow of energy. So you shouldn't expect it to supernova though because of course this is the weak force not the strong force and although it is the superstrong force of the quantum foam, the inverse square law applies and your sphere is a zillion times larger than the quantum foam and you are not affecting the quantum foam any more than hitting a nail with a hammer does. You can't contain the quantum foam, so you can't put it under any pressure. Under normal circumstances in your garage. (Superstrong supermagnets in a lab might be able to a bit.) So people tried this zero point configuration with spherical beads and got some results but the quantum foam is not perfectly spherical. People should try different geometries. Bucky balls? Tetrahedrons? Wobbly jello shaped golf balls with hills and valleys? Space is permeated with natural frequencies, sounds that you cannot hear, light you cannot see. Heat, amazingly turned out to be not flogistine, but rather just the excitations of atoms, but the cold, the incredible cold of liquid hydrogen for instance, is still giving off energy. Only at absolute zero, does it stop giving off energy, and it disappears off the radar. Whats my point? I have no point, the search for zero point energy is pure science. The grapefruit is in a superposition of states, in the best of all possible universes (according to Candide), but we cannot tell if it is alive or dead until we collapse the wave function by eating it. The very act of collapsing the wave function has determined the outcome. (facts and data people, facts and data) We could just keep hitting it with our temp gun until it rots too I suppose but if we hit it with a full spectrum light it will live. The seeds will sprout or if it was a banana it will turn green and start to grow. Something that baffles people when they try to get them to ripen on the window ledge. Next time instead of a grapefruit, we will use a banana, and use its Latin name, as we design our theory so that in the end only the top three people in the laboratory will be able to see the whole picture. Those people who know what the Shroedinger Equation is, and the rest who haven't got the foggiest idea.
From: rick_s on 17 Jun 2010 14:53 > > I once was tinkering in my garage with some stuff, making a TV antenna, > with a piece of 6 inch stove pipe, some wire wrapped around it and a > magnet and you know it worked like a hot damn for local analog signals. > And within 6 months, it appeared in Canadaian Tire magazine as the > Shogun! Antenna, designed, invented and marketed, by some guy, who I > never saw, don't know, never heard of, and that is what you might > expect, because you know it is a quantum universe. > > http://kingston.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-tools-equipment-Antenna-for-TV-SHOGUN-W0QQAdIdZ207047421 Tesla was working with large amounts of power. And John Hutchinson combined radio frequencies with electro-magnetic fields o break the covalent bonds of atoms, and to tap into these natural wave frequencies such that like a static charge, things would take flight, only heavier objects as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutchison_effect But that type of uncontrolled experimentation makes people nervous. However, imagine how cool it might be, to make little animated characters that don't need batteries. Chia pet! Low levels of energy can light up leds, you could maybe increase that voltage by using custom materials in your receiver set. Some materials would be better suited than others. Edison again. Trial and error. But that is science.
From: rick_s on 17 Jun 2010 16:06
On 6/17/2010 19:37, rick_s wrote: >quantum universe. Want another example where using quantum effects you can almost create things yourself, (like the showgun example above) and see them appear like lost socks back into this universe? Lithium Ion rechargeable batteries. SONY had them in their camcorders for years before they appeared on the shelves as rechargeable batteries for consumer electronics of the A AA AAA types. From my perspective, they appeared mysteriously on the shelves, the day I pondered the question, why is that? And since there was no logical answer why batteries of a common type which are rechargeable and so superior to any of the A, AA or AAA batteries that were on the market, they had to appear, to satisfy the natural laws of distribution, and non-favored status for any one group which might be seen as being blatantly obvious favoritism or a case where the normal laws did not apply contrary to invariance theory. Voila, they appeared on the shelves the next time I was in the grocery I saw them. People actually believe that our perceptions create our reality. They believe that the thought process can collapse the wave function. But can it make batteries appear on the shelves? Common sense says no it can't. But we do have an intimate relationship with the universe and wishes do come true. We are active participants. But bound by our own limitations we can't bend spoons with our minds, unless we are Uri Gellar. If, you can collapse the wavefunction, to create some reality, then it still has to have some context. For instance those batteries existed in other forms, no magic needed. To turn the moon into a death star, with your _~mind, now that would be collapsing the wavefunction in a big way. Who is to say if all you need to do is gather enough evidence a bit at a time, a scrap of data at a time, to build up enough evidence to collapse the wave function to satisfy the condition of having all this evidence. Someone would then blurt out the secret, and voila, the actualization of a quantum effect, in a cooperative and generous universe. |