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From: rick_s on 17 Jun 2010 16:49

>
> To turn the moon into a death star, with your _~mind, now that would be
> collapsing the wavefunction in a big way.
>
> Who is to say if all you need to do is gather enough evidence a bit at a
> time, a scrap of data at a time, to build up enough evidence to collapse
> the wave function to satisfy the condition of having all this evidence.
> Someone would then blurt out the secret, and voila, the actualization of
> a quantum effect, in a cooperative and generous universe.
>

http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/1101/tiny-moon-is-no-space-station
They're multiplying Jim. Like tribbles.

We wish.

If wishes were winning lottery tickets, then if everyone on earth, went
outside and held out their hand, and you shot a lucky ball from Lotto
Max, into the air and it landed somewhere on earth, the chances that it
would land in YOUR hand, are the odds of winning that lottery.
But people win the Lotto Max all the time.
The odds are actually 85,900,584 to one.

Is it he who wishes the hardest wins? Is there a law at all that can
collapse the wavefunction in your favor in this case?

Probability theory uses the past to predict the future and only needs to
depend on the simple fact that whoever or whatever is doing what, they
will over time, do it in the usual manner, and the results will be
reasonably consistent.

But that's a broad generality. Magic happens when you isolate your stuff
from the rest of the universe, and work out enough of the details, so
that whatever does happen does not upset the applecart, and if possible,
has to materialize in order for the natural laws of nature to be obeyed.

We do that all the time when we plan to go on holiday, work, save up and
go. Planning.

Now there are people who believe that if the common mass perception is
that some thing is real, it will be real. Not so. The public has been
mislead about things since it began. Galen et al for an example.

So the key is to be moving in the direction of evolution, if possible,
going with the flow, and then find an invention whose time has come.

When you do it that way, it doesn't seem like magic at all. It seems
like your diode, your transistor, came along when it was needed as a
normal progression of Baconian science.

Although its gets a little 'gray' where fiber optics and transistors and
computer circuit boards came from but then what does it matter as long
as they are here now?

The real question is where are our flying cars and dream kitchens?

I am beginning to suspect we are not getting our flying cars.

If you want to blame it on someone, blame it on the archaeologist who
collapsed the wave function, and said that the carved hieroglyphics in
the Temple at Karnac, which depicted flying cars, evolving over time,
was actually just a palimpsest.

In spite of people like that who we call wet blankets, some people still
believe in fairies.
A world without fairies would probably be a world full of bitter realists.
From: rick_s on 17 Jun 2010 17:23
On 6/17/2010 21:49, rick_s wrote:
> Temple at Karnac
http://www.hallofthegods.org/articles/mystery-abydos.html

You can't throw a wet blanket on our helicopters because we have them
already. And speed boats and submersibles.

That bottom job certainly looks like it needs to be running on static
electricity, hence the large flat bottom surface.

Yeah its a palimpsest, someone covered over the flying machines.

This aspect of quantum physics is a reality in this universe.
But you see we are participants, who seem to be able to share in the
power to create things, and can use the brute force method as well and
try a thousand different filaments before we get a light bulb, but it
has to be consistent with the known laws.

Not that finding laws is the same as making laws, or that these laws
restrict our ability to create. There is a limit to how far you can take
quantum physics before the reality comes in where the cat is either
alive or dead, man either went to the moon or it was a hoax, and if he
went there in the quantum way, with a studio set, is that the same thing
as making things up as you go along?

You see how it seems like it should be rather straight forward but what
people have to realize is that perhaps Agathon was wrong. Maybe God can
change the past.

Which would complicate any attempts by us to actually figure this stuff
out. Hence the Baconian method and probability as being a good way to
examine and predict in a world or universe where sometimes sh*t just
happens.

So quantum physics is an attempt to agree with reality, and admit that
causation is often obscured, and also that mysterious things can and do
happen, as if out of the blue, and that reality when closely observed
might be in a continual state of flux.

If we knew all the laws would that be sufficient? Not if there are other
forces at work. Gremlins in the equipment making you believe that the
effect you are seeing in reverse spin or reverse polarity is caused by
something other than their foolish meddling.

As long as statistically they keep meddling quantum physics doesn't care.





From: rick_s on 18 Jun 2010 05:49
"Following groundbreaking cathode research by a team led by John
Goodenough,[15] in 1991 Sony released the first commercial lithium-ion
battery. Their cells used layered oxide chemistry, specifically lithium
cobalt oxide and revolutionized consumer electronics." - Wikipedia

Well if it's good enough for Goodenough, then it's good enough for me.

Lets just shelve that whole permanent battery idea for just a smidge and
lets take a look at everyone's favorite subject, time travel.


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