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From: Broderick Crawford on 25 Oct 2007 09:28
Robert Flint wrote:
> I have developed a problem on my Toshiba laptop running openSUSE 10.3. All
> the windows are missing their title bars (the coloured bit at the top that
> has the program name and the maximise, minimise and close buttons). This has
> happened for all usres on the machine, irrespective of whether they login
> using Gnome or KDE, and I am at a loss how to solve the problem.
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> ROB
>
>
>
>
>
That's what I get when I enable xgl. I had to go back to xorg to get my
bars back.
From: Robert Flint on 25 Oct 2007 09:46

"Broderick Crawford" <bcrawford2150(a)roadrunner.com> wrote in message
news:47209843$0$9613$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com...
> Robert Flint wrote:
>> I have developed a problem on my Toshiba laptop running openSUSE 10.3.
>> All
>> the windows are missing their title bars (the coloured bit at the top
>> that
>> has the program name and the maximise, minimise and close buttons). This
>> has
>> happened for all usres on the machine, irrespective of whether they login
>> using Gnome or KDE, and I am at a loss how to solve the problem.
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> ROB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> That's what I get when I enable xgl. I had to go back to xorg to get my
> bars back.

Thanks, yes it was compiz causing the problem. Uninstalled it and the title
bars are back.

ROB



From: Duncan Kennedy on 25 Oct 2007 09:46
In message <472090AD.8020107(a)bullet3.fsnet.oc.ku>, Robert Newson
<ReapNewsB(a)bullet3.fsnet.oc.ku> writes
>Duncan Kennedy wrote:
>
>> In message <47207F33.8040005(a)bullet3.fsnet.oc.ku>, Robert Newson
>><ReapNewsB(a)bullet3.fsnet.oc.ku> writes
>>
>>> Robert Flint wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have developed a problem on my Toshiba laptop running openSUSE
>>>>10.3. All the windows are missing their title bars (the coloured
>>>>bit at the top that has the program name and the maximise,
>>>>minimise and close buttons). This has happened for all usres on
>>>>the machine, irrespective of whether they login using Gnome or
>>>>KDE, and I am at a loss how to solve the problem.
>>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Sounds like you're missing a window manager (which is what provides
>>>these things).
>>>
>>> Try opening a terminal window (from GNOME) and entering the command:
>>>
>>> $ metacity &
>>>
>> I'm no Linux expert and, on 10.02, haven' had that problem - but
>>reading UK MicroMart this week there is a comment made about what
>>seems to be exactly the same problem with one recent distro of Ubuntu.
>>I know they come from different bases but is there a core change that
>>is causing this somewhere.
>
>On Linux, the desktop manager (Gnome, KDE) is separate from the Window
>Manager (Metacity, IceWM, etc) - you can pick and choose whichever
>window manager you like to go with your desktop of choice (KDE comes
>with an integral Window Manager[1], Gnome does not), unlike with
>Microsoft Windwos where you have the choice of MS Windwos or MS Windwos.
>
Thanks for the explanation. I have a lot to learn. Come to think of
it, it was Kubuntu latest beta the magazine was trying (not testing).
(Gibbon) and when it happened they were running KDE / Compiz - which
ties in with another report in this thread. The solution, for Gibbon,
seemed to be to run Emerald Theme Manager - and there I get completely
lost!
--
Duncan K
Downtown Dalgety Bay
From: Chris on 25 Oct 2007 10:31
Paul Martin wrote:
> In article <472090AD.8020107(a)bullet3.fsnet.oc.ku>,
> Robert Newson wrote:
>
>> On Linux, the desktop manager (Gnome, KDE) is separate from the Window
>> Manager (Metacity, IceWM, etc) - you can pick and choose whichever window
>
> Perhaps replace "is separate" with "can be separate"?

Not really. Gnome and KDE are Desktop Environments (or managers) which
are built upon specific window managers. You can use others with Gnome
or KDE, but don't expect it to work very well.

> I'm using
> WindowMaker which performs both functions, as do twm, fvwm, etc.

I'm no UI specialist, but AFAIK Window Managers are distinct entities
from Desktop Environments, which can be run on their own without the
added overhead of a full-blown environment. However, a DE must be run
with a WM otherwise you face the problems highlighted by the OP.

From: Chris on 25 Oct 2007 11:53
Paul Martin wrote:
> In article <ffq98c$f6c$1(a)dux.dundee.ac.uk>,
> Chris wrote:
>> Paul Martin wrote:
>>> In article <472090AD.8020107(a)bullet3.fsnet.oc.ku>,
>>> Robert Newson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Linux, the desktop manager (Gnome, KDE) is separate from the Window
>>>> Manager (Metacity, IceWM, etc) - you can pick and choose whichever window
>>> Perhaps replace "is separate" with "can be separate"?
>
>> Not really. Gnome and KDE are Desktop Environments (or managers) which
>> are built upon specific window managers. You can use others with Gnome
>> or KDE, but don't expect it to work very well.
>
> What part of "can be separate" do you not understand? They can be
> separate, or the two functions can be integrated in one program.

I understood you perfectly. You however...

To clarify. Gnome and KDE (and other Desktop Environments) *are*
separate/distinct from Window Managers. There's no 'can be' about it.
The very fact that Gnome and KDE both require a WM to work properly
shows that they are /separate/ from a WM.

I'm not making any point about what a WM can or can't do, just that your
'correction' was wrong.

> I also don't say that you can do without both functions, only that the
> functions can be provided in one program or split between many
> programs.
>

I've no idea what you mean by 'functions'.
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