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From: Joel Koltner on 30 Mar 2010 20:40
"Don Klipstein" <don(a)manx.misty.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhr5695.d92.don(a)manx.misty.com...
> How about the fact that all of the dollar store "shake lights" that I
> ever bought were "fake shake lights"? In my experience actually opening
> up 3 of these of 2 different brands, the movable slug was not magnetized,
> the leads of the coil were shorted together, and there was a battery
> consisting of (I forget which already) one or two lithium coin cells of
> some CR???? type.

I'm willing to bet that if we start seeing little LED flashlights powered by
semi-random movement of the body throughout the day utilizing little "energy
harvesters" as that link indicates, there'll be plenty of fakes of those too.
:-)

> Maybe the prior art needs to be a non-dollar-store "shake light".

Mmm, yes, indeed it would.

For a large enough animal a (real) shake light is probably already a pretty
effective energy scavenger. :-)

---Joel

From: Robert Baer on 31 Mar 2010 17:51
Joel Koltner wrote:
> -->
> http://www.rfglobalnet.com/article.mvc/Mini-Generators-Could-Power-Wireless-Sensors-0001?user=1925643&source=nl:27130
>
>
> Quote:
>
> "The researchers have built three prototypes and a fourth is
> forthcoming. In two of the generators, the energy conversion is
> performed through electromagnetic induction, in which a coil is
> subjected to a varying magnetic field. This is a process similar to how
> large-scale generators in big power plants operate. "
>
> "The university is pursuing patent protection for the intellectual
> property."
>
> Um hmm.
>
> I wonder if the dollar-store "shake lights" could be used as prior art?
Absolutely!
From: Robert Baer on 31 Mar 2010 17:55
J.A. Legris wrote:
> On Mar 30, 1:22 pm, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...(a)yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> -->http://www.rfglobalnet.com/article.mvc/Mini-Generators-Could-Power-Wi...
>>
>> Quote:
>>
>> "The researchers have built three prototypes and a fourth is forthcoming. In
>> two of the generators, the energy conversion is performed through
>> electromagnetic induction, in which a coil is subjected to a varying magnetic
>> field. This is a process similar to how large-scale generators in big power
>> plants operate. "
>>
>> "The university is pursuing patent protection for the intellectual property."
>>
>> Um hmm.
>>
>> I wonder if the dollar-store "shake lights" could be used as prior art?
>
> You've missed the point - these are self-contained devices that
> produce reliable, although small, amounts of power from ambient
> vibrations. Sounds novel to me.
>
> --
> Joe
A shake lite is not "self contained"?
They are of one piece like those mentioned in the "disclosure", they
produce reliable power like those mentioned in the "disclosure", they
are small like those mentioned in the "disclosure" (altho not quite as
small), and if the owners have the shakes or position it correctly when
walking like those mentioned in the "disclosure" the differences are
essentially zilch.
From: Robert Baer on 31 Mar 2010 17:56
Joel Koltner wrote:
> "J.A. Legris" <jalegris(a)sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3d3b76f7-e0cd-441a-9b71-c5731b773c6d(a)v8g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
>> You've missed the point - these are self-contained devices that
>> produce reliable, although small, amounts of power from ambient
>> vibrations. Sounds novel to me.
>
> Self-winding watches have been around forever.
>
> At least to me the idea of harnessing sound random movement and
> converting it to electricity (rather than tightening up a spring) is an
> obvious extension. People have been working on such "micropower
> harvesters" for decades now...
>
>
Very true; that article is rather late so to speak.
From: Robert Baer on 31 Mar 2010 17:57
krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:06:44 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
> <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "J.A. Legris" <jalegris(a)sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:3d3b76f7-e0cd-441a-9b71-c5731b773c6d(a)v8g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
>>> You've missed the point - these are self-contained devices that
>>> produce reliable, although small, amounts of power from ambient
>>> vibrations. Sounds novel to me.
>> Self-winding watches have been around forever.
>
>> At least to me the idea of harnessing sound random movement and converting it
>> to electricity (rather than tightening up a spring) is an obvious extension.
>> People have been working on such "micropower harvesters" for decades now...
>
> You make the same mistake most do when considering the worth(lessness) of
> patents. You don't have the claims. Without the claims this is nothing more
> than a useless newsblurb to fill a just as useless trade rag.
....and claims are also worthless unless one has millions of dollars to
enforce them.
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