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From: Tinkerer on 10 Mar 2010 12:31

"Paul" <nospam(a)needed.com> wrote in message
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> Grinder wrote:
>> On 3/10/2010 2:15 AM, kony wrote:
>>> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:04:58 -0600, Grinder
>>> <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/9/2010 5:49 PM, DwayneM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an HP in need of a new motherboard
>>>>> specs are as follows
>>>>>
>>>>> amethystM motherboard with ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 chipset
>>>>> Processor with socket 939
>>>>>
>>>>> I have pulled my hair out trying to find one on the web with no avail.
>>>>> Was told by HP that all newer motherboards would need DMI loaded onto
>>>>> hard
>>>>> drive..
>>>>
>>>> I believe that statement to be horsesh*t. If their DMI is the same old
>>>> crud that was producing those code purple errors, it can easily be
>>>> circumvented.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.billoblog.com/?p=152
>>>>
>>>> Or, I'll wager that you can avoid it all together my just installing XP
>>>> from a generic OEM installer instead of a tattoo'd recovery disc.
>>>>
>>>>> Prefer to stay with what came with the PC. It's running XP (I know a
>>>>> little old) but there are some very vital programs that I use that
>>>>> have
>>>>> not been updated to VISTA or WIN 7 yet... can anyone Help
>>>>
>>>> I should note that it's easy for me to say this, as I won't have to
>>>> suffer the consequences of being wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Previously when I've had OEM installations or
>>> discs/new-installs stop and ask for activation, I simply had
>>> to call MS and read them the sticker off the OEM case label
>>> and they gave me a (an extremely long) activation code to
>>> make it work. In other words, I could have upgraded the
>>> entire computer and they would have still given an
>>> activation code... not that I advocate doing so since it's
>>> against the Windows EULA, but for information purposes and
>>> give the desire of the poster in this topic, that could work
>>> no matter what motherboard was put into the system.
>>
>> Agreed. What's more, internet XP activation seems to have relaxed a bit
>> in the last few months. Previously, using a generic OEM install on
>> certain manufacturer's PCs would require a phone call, but now it seems
>> to pretty much activate any key that passes the input validation.
>
> That must explain why my motherboard change didn't need a phone call,
> when I did it recently. It was satisfied with Internet activation.
> No phone call. And the install CD was store bought WinXP SP3 OEM. I was
> expecting more of a hassle. Went from an Asrock board to a completely
> different Asus (different chipset). Just the motherboard was changed out,
> and the rest stayed the same. I used a PCI storage controller card, so
> I didn't even need to do a repair install. (That was to ensure there were
> drivers to read the disk on the upgraded system.) It gave me the
> "three day warning", concerning activation. I was mentally prepared for
> a rougher ride :-)

As I understand it from looking though various forums, M$ don't actually
stipulate what is meant by another computer. They leave it up to the
manufacturer. Theoretically you could empty the entire case and put new
stuff in and it could still be regarded as the same PC. I have certainly
moved OEM versions from PC to PC and they have activated over the net every
time. It's a bit like the broom that has been in service for over 30 years
and only had four new heads and three new handles in all that time.
--
Tinkerer


From: Grinder on 10 Mar 2010 16:53
On 3/10/2010 11:31 AM, Tinkerer wrote:
> "Paul"<nospam(a)needed.com> wrote in message
> news:hn8hk8$d3p$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> Grinder wrote:
>>> On 3/10/2010 2:15 AM, kony wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:04:58 -0600, Grinder
>>>> <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/9/2010 5:49 PM, DwayneM wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an HP in need of a new motherboard
>>>>>> specs are as follows
>>>>>>
>>>>>> amethystM motherboard with ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 chipset
>>>>>> Processor with socket 939
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have pulled my hair out trying to find one on the web with no avail.
>>>>>> Was told by HP that all newer motherboards would need DMI loaded onto
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>> drive..
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that statement to be horsesh*t. If their DMI is the same old
>>>>> crud that was producing those code purple errors, it can easily be
>>>>> circumvented.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.billoblog.com/?p=152
>>>>>
>>>>> Or, I'll wager that you can avoid it all together my just installing XP
>>>>> from a generic OEM installer instead of a tattoo'd recovery disc.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Prefer to stay with what came with the PC. It's running XP (I know a
>>>>>> little old) but there are some very vital programs that I use that
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> not been updated to VISTA or WIN 7 yet... can anyone Help
>>>>>
>>>>> I should note that it's easy for me to say this, as I won't have to
>>>>> suffer the consequences of being wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Previously when I've had OEM installations or
>>>> discs/new-installs stop and ask for activation, I simply had
>>>> to call MS and read them the sticker off the OEM case label
>>>> and they gave me a (an extremely long) activation code to
>>>> make it work. In other words, I could have upgraded the
>>>> entire computer and they would have still given an
>>>> activation code... not that I advocate doing so since it's
>>>> against the Windows EULA, but for information purposes and
>>>> give the desire of the poster in this topic, that could work
>>>> no matter what motherboard was put into the system.
>>>
>>> Agreed. What's more, internet XP activation seems to have relaxed a bit
>>> in the last few months. Previously, using a generic OEM install on
>>> certain manufacturer's PCs would require a phone call, but now it seems
>>> to pretty much activate any key that passes the input validation.
>>
>> That must explain why my motherboard change didn't need a phone call,
>> when I did it recently. It was satisfied with Internet activation.
>> No phone call. And the install CD was store bought WinXP SP3 OEM. I was
>> expecting more of a hassle. Went from an Asrock board to a completely
>> different Asus (different chipset). Just the motherboard was changed out,
>> and the rest stayed the same. I used a PCI storage controller card, so
>> I didn't even need to do a repair install. (That was to ensure there were
>> drivers to read the disk on the upgraded system.) It gave me the
>> "three day warning", concerning activation. I was mentally prepared for
>> a rougher ride :-)
>
> As I understand it from looking though various forums, M$ don't actually
> stipulate what is meant by another computer. They leave it up to the
> manufacturer. Theoretically you could empty the entire case and put new
> stuff in and it could still be regarded as the same PC. I have certainly
> moved OEM versions from PC to PC and they have activated over the net every
> time. It's a bit like the broom that has been in service for over 30 years
> and only had four new heads and three new handles in all that time.

I've had a policy explained to me from someone who picked up the phone
at 800-MIC-ROSO[ft].

"The" computer is essentially defined as the motherboard, unless the
mother board dies. An OEM should not transfer if you're just replacing
the motherboard for performance reasons. Luckily, in any situation
where I've needed to replace a motherboard, it has been from a failure
and an inability to find an exact replacement.

I can't say if this is anything beyond one entry-level tech's opinion,
but the phrase "motherboard died" does seem to be effective during phone
activations.
From: GT on 11 Mar 2010 08:36
"Grinder" <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
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> On 3/10/2010 11:31 AM, Tinkerer wrote:
>> "Paul"<nospam(a)needed.com> wrote in message
>> news:hn8hk8$d3p$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Grinder wrote:
>>>> On 3/10/2010 2:15 AM, kony wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:04:58 -0600, Grinder
>>>>> <grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/9/2010 5:49 PM, DwayneM wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an HP in need of a new motherboard
>>>>>>> specs are as follows
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> amethystM motherboard with ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 chipset
>>>>>>> Processor with socket 939
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have pulled my hair out trying to find one on the web with no
>>>>>>> avail.
>>>>>>> Was told by HP that all newer motherboards would need DMI loaded
>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>> drive..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe that statement to be horsesh*t. If their DMI is the same
>>>>>> old
>>>>>> crud that was producing those code purple errors, it can easily be
>>>>>> circumvented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.billoblog.com/?p=152
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, I'll wager that you can avoid it all together my just installing
>>>>>> XP
>>>>>> from a generic OEM installer instead of a tattoo'd recovery disc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prefer to stay with what came with the PC. It's running XP (I know
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> little old) but there are some very vital programs that I use that
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> not been updated to VISTA or WIN 7 yet... can anyone Help
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should note that it's easy for me to say this, as I won't have to
>>>>>> suffer the consequences of being wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Previously when I've had OEM installations or
>>>>> discs/new-installs stop and ask for activation, I simply had
>>>>> to call MS and read them the sticker off the OEM case label
>>>>> and they gave me a (an extremely long) activation code to
>>>>> make it work. In other words, I could have upgraded the
>>>>> entire computer and they would have still given an
>>>>> activation code... not that I advocate doing so since it's
>>>>> against the Windows EULA, but for information purposes and
>>>>> give the desire of the poster in this topic, that could work
>>>>> no matter what motherboard was put into the system.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. What's more, internet XP activation seems to have relaxed a
>>>> bit
>>>> in the last few months. Previously, using a generic OEM install on
>>>> certain manufacturer's PCs would require a phone call, but now it seems
>>>> to pretty much activate any key that passes the input validation.
>>>
>>> That must explain why my motherboard change didn't need a phone call,
>>> when I did it recently. It was satisfied with Internet activation.
>>> No phone call. And the install CD was store bought WinXP SP3 OEM. I was
>>> expecting more of a hassle. Went from an Asrock board to a completely
>>> different Asus (different chipset). Just the motherboard was changed
>>> out,
>>> and the rest stayed the same. I used a PCI storage controller card, so
>>> I didn't even need to do a repair install. (That was to ensure there
>>> were
>>> drivers to read the disk on the upgraded system.) It gave me the
>>> "three day warning", concerning activation. I was mentally prepared for
>>> a rougher ride :-)
>>
>> As I understand it from looking though various forums, M$ don't actually
>> stipulate what is meant by another computer. They leave it up to the
>> manufacturer. Theoretically you could empty the entire case and put new
>> stuff in and it could still be regarded as the same PC. I have
>> certainly
>> moved OEM versions from PC to PC and they have activated over the net
>> every
>> time. It's a bit like the broom that has been in service for over 30
>> years
>> and only had four new heads and three new handles in all that time.
>
> I've had a policy explained to me from someone who picked up the phone at
> 800-MIC-ROSO[ft].
>
> "The" computer is essentially defined as the motherboard, unless the
> mother board dies. An OEM should not transfer if you're just replacing
> the motherboard for performance reasons. Luckily, in any situation where
> I've needed to replace a motherboard, it has been from a failure and an
> inability to find an exact replacement.
>
> I can't say if this is anything beyond one entry-level tech's opinion, but
> the phrase "motherboard died" does seem to be effective during phone
> activations.

When I 'decided' to pour hot tea over my laptop, Dell replaced the
motherboard and there was no issue over the XP license.


From: kony on 11 Mar 2010 20:18
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:53:01 -0600, Grinder
<grinder(a)no.spam.maam.com> wrote:


>> As I understand it from looking though various forums, M$ don't actually
>> stipulate what is meant by another computer. They leave it up to the
>> manufacturer. Theoretically you could empty the entire case and put new
>> stuff in and it could still be regarded as the same PC. I have certainly
>> moved OEM versions from PC to PC and they have activated over the net every
>> time. It's a bit like the broom that has been in service for over 30 years
>> and only had four new heads and three new handles in all that time.
>
>I've had a policy explained to me from someone who picked up the phone
>at 800-MIC-ROSO[ft].
>
>"The" computer is essentially defined as the motherboard, unless the
>mother board dies. An OEM should not transfer if you're just replacing
>the motherboard for performance reasons. Luckily, in any situation
>where I've needed to replace a motherboard, it has been from a failure
>and an inability to find an exact replacement.
>
>I can't say if this is anything beyond one entry-level tech's opinion,
>but the phrase "motherboard died" does seem to be effective during phone
>activations.

It is now MS's position that a change in motherboard,
besides one identical, constitutes a new/different system
the license is invalid for.

However, they can't change the terms of the license shipped
with the system after the fact. Seek the same (OEM), same
service pack version of the Windows installation CD and read
the EULA on it. If it states motherboard, it's the
motherboard. If not, it's not.

I suspect MS was trying to give people a little latitude in
repairing systems but didn't want people to upgrade their
entire system and reuse the same license. Even so, I think
there is still a fair argument from those who state it
should be the case instead of the motherboard considered the
cornerstone of what constitutes a system because they
permanently attached a tamper resistance sticker that is
supposed to be the system license certificate itself in/on
some cases.
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