NEWS: Apple Released Test Videos To Demonstrate Antenna Problems in Nokia, BlackBerry, HTC Droid and Samsung
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From: John Navas on 21 Jul 2010 11:05 Apple has released few videos on YouTube to demonstrate antenna problems in other smart-phones including Nokia, Samsung Omnia, Blackberry, HTC Droid. These videos show that iPhone is not the only handset such problem when held in a particular way. Apple shows that the Samsung Omnia II dropped from 4 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuated the signal. Similarly, the Nokia N97 mini dropped from 7 bars to 2 bars when held in a way that attenuated the signal. In Apple�s tests, the BlackBerry Bold 9700 dropped from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuated the signal. While the the Samsung Omnia II dropped from 4 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuated the signal. VIDEOS: <http://blog.arpitnext.com/2010/07/apple-iphone4-videos-prove-antenna-problem-in-nokia-samsung-blackberry-htc.html>
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse on 21 Jul 2010 11:15 In alt.cellular.verizon John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > Apple has released few videos on YouTube to demonstrate antenna problems > in other smart-phones including Nokia, Samsung Omnia, Blackberry, HTC > Droid. These videos show that iPhone is not the only handset such > problem when held in a particular way. Apple shows that the Samsung > Omnia II dropped from 4 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuated > the signal. Similarly, the Nokia N97 mini dropped from 7 bars to 2 bars > when held in a way that attenuated the signal. In Apple?s tests, the > BlackBerry Bold 9700 dropped from 5 bars to 1 bar when held in a way > that attenuated the signal. While the the Samsung Omnia II dropped from > 4 bars to 1 bar when held in a way that attenuated the signal. > > VIDEOS: > <http://blog.arpitnext.com/2010/07/apple-iphone4-videos-prove-antenna-problem-in-nokia-samsung-blackberry-htc.html> Or just watch his speech on apple.com and he goes over it in his presentation from last week. One thing that is not true is that they did indeed know about the problem for more than 22 days [as of the time of his speech]. I have already seen reports [from before the speech] that an engineer [who was named, although I don't recall it] warned of the issue, but they seem to have dismissed it; I guess in favor of aesthetics. One this is for sure, it is a LOT easier to trigger on the iPhone 4.0 than these other phones. Any phone with an antenna will have signal issues if the wrong environment surrounds the phone and that means the way it is held will have an effect; the iPhone 4 has a serious flaw in the antenna though [which is a hugely advanced design based on fractals if I am not mistaken by the way it looks], because they put the sensitive spot where somebody is likely to hold it. Then to charge $30 for a piece of poly ... it's no wonder so many people skipped it and thus they touch that sweet spot so conveniently placed right where a normal person touches the phone. They should have listened to that one upstanding engineer [who I am sure is now in trouble for going public with it or otherwise leaking it]. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.
From: nospam on 21 Jul 2010 11:30 In article <8aoh7uFdlhU2(a)mid.individual.net>, Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Or just watch his speech on apple.com and he goes over it in his presentation > from last week. One thing that is not true is that they did indeed know about > the problem for more than 22 days [as of the time of his speech]. I have > already seen reports [from before the speech] that an engineer [who was named, > although I don't recall it] warned of the issue, but they seem to have > dismissed it; I guess in favor of aesthetics. it was dismissed because it's bullshit. as you can see in the videos, if you touch a weak spot on *any* phone, reception will drop. if that's what you call 'knowing' then yes, because *all* phones have that issue, as the videos you suggest to watch indicate. > One this is for sure, it is a > LOT easier to trigger on the iPhone 4.0 than these other phones. that's because the antenna is outside. it also has better reception when you don't touch the spot. > Any phone > with an antenna will have signal issues if the wrong environment surrounds the > phone and that means the way it is held will have an effect; the iPhone 4 has > a serious flaw in the antenna though [which is a hugely advanced design based > on fractals if I am not mistaken by the way it looks], because they put the > sensitive spot where somebody is likely to hold it. Then to charge $30 for a > piece of poly ... they're free. > it's no wonder so many people skipped it and thus they touch > that sweet spot so conveniently placed right where a normal person touches the > phone. They should have listened to that one upstanding engineer [who I am > sure is now in trouble for going public with it or otherwise leaking it]. he is not in trouble because that story was fabricated.
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse on 21 Jul 2010 12:29 In alt.cellular.verizon nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <8aoh7uFdlhU2(a)mid.individual.net>, Thomas T. Veldhouse > <veldy71(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Or just watch his speech on apple.com and he goes over it in his presentation >> from last week. One thing that is not true is that they did indeed know about >> the problem for more than 22 days [as of the time of his speech]. I have >> already seen reports [from before the speech] that an engineer [who was named, >> although I don't recall it] warned of the issue, but they seem to have >> dismissed it; I guess in favor of aesthetics. > > it was dismissed because it's bullshit. as you can see in the videos, > if you touch a weak spot on *any* phone, reception will drop. if that's > what you call 'knowing' then yes, because *all* phones have that issue, > as the videos you suggest to watch indicate. I suggested one video. But in point of fact, the iPhone 4 antenna is state of the art [it looks like a fractal design which is the way of the future micro antenna designs], but, they use the outer shell for conductance and then put a gap in that shell which placing your finger over it short circuits essentially. That is the real issue. It is not truly an internal antenna and that is why they are giving away these nice little $30 pieces of poly. NO other phone has a "spot" that you can touch with the tip of your finger and cause reception go down, but all phones suffer when gripped. Steve Jobs did a good job at slight of hand by failing to point out that just touching that spot clearly scene on the phone's shell will cause a significant signal quaity reduction. > >> One this is for sure, it is a >> LOT easier to trigger on the iPhone 4.0 than these other phones. > > that's because the antenna is outside. it also has better reception > when you don't touch the spot. Yes, as I have said, it is top end technology. I would put a case on my phone, so if I had an iPhone 4 I am sure I would be one of the 99.5% happy customers. > >> Any phone >> with an antenna will have signal issues if the wrong environment surrounds the >> phone and that means the way it is held will have an effect; the iPhone 4 has >> a serious flaw in the antenna though [which is a hugely advanced design based >> on fractals if I am not mistaken by the way it looks], because they put the >> sensitive spot where somebody is likely to hold it. Then to charge $30 for a >> piece of poly ... > > they're free. NOW they are, but that is because they made a mistake in the design of making a single point that just needs to be touched by your skin to cause a significant drop in signal quality. It takes a GRIP on most, if not all other phones. > >> it's no wonder so many people skipped it and thus they touch >> that sweet spot so conveniently placed right where a normal person touches the >> phone. They should have listened to that one upstanding engineer [who I am >> sure is now in trouble for going public with it or otherwise leaking it]. > > he is not in trouble because that story was fabricated. Since I don't have a link and I don't feel like looking it up, I will take your word that the story is fabricated [but I have a hard time believing that since I work with RF engineers myself and I KNOW they would not have missed it and, no offense to my collegues, but I am pretty sure that Apple's engineers are significantly higher grade than the people I work with [which are pretty damn good]. -- Thomas T. Veldhouse Religion is a crutch, but that's okay... humanity is a cripple.
From: Larry on 21 Jul 2010 12:56
nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in news:210720101130443990% nospam(a)nospam.invalid: > it was dismissed because it's bullshit. as you can see in the videos, > if you touch a weak spot on *any* phone, reception will drop. if that's > what you call 'knowing' then yes, because *all* phones have that issue, > as the videos you suggest to watch indicate. > > Ah, the chief apologist MUST respond to every post..... If the goddamned phone didn't come with an antenna, nospam would be right out there fighting tooth and nail to make it a feature, not a defect! -- iPhone 4 is to cellular technology what the Titanic is to cruise ships. Larry |