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From: Fa-groon on 21 Jul 2010 16:30 On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:54:55 -0700, Steve Hix wrote (in article <sehix-2FCDA1.09545521072010(a)5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>): > In article > <8695e6aa-3aff-4230-bcb7-b02499902f2d(a)l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, > -hh <recscuba_google(a)huntzinger.com> wrote: > >> Steve Hix <se...(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote: >>> >>> There you hit one major factor mitigating against a flat tax system ever >>> being >>> adopted; a huge number of federal employees (and union and bureaucracy) >>> would >>> be excess to need. >> >> YMMV on what is "huge". The IRS is only around 30,000 employees. > > What about all those poor, innocent tax accountants? How will they feed their > children? Think of the children! > >> In the meantime, there's over 5 **million** outside the Fed, at your >> State & Local level. Perhaps you should go comment about your post- >> tax burdens imposed upon you by your local State Sales Tax, local >> County & Municipal Property Taxes, etc, etc. > > Don't think that that's forgotten, what with roughly 50% of our income taken > out > in total tax burden here in CA. > > Forgot to mention, btw, that the tax code embodies favors for all sorts of > politicians for their constituents, and assorted special interests, getting > special treatment in various and sundry ways. > > The tax system, overall, is pretty much broken. It would help to throw it all > out and clean-sheet it. Won't happen. Sadly. Here I agree completely. The tax system is definitely broken. Most governments seem to think that they can spend to their heart's content and when they get into financial trouble, they can just raise taxes. Wouldn't it be nice if you could do that? Get into a financial bind and simply demand that your employer give you more money and he would HAVE to comply? But that will never happen. You and I have to live within our means, and it's more than past time that the various governments in all of our lives get the message that must live within their means too. Tax reform would go a long way toward sending that message.
From: Lloyd Parsons on 21 Jul 2010 17:21 In article <8b710892-87c5-4868-9358-67f0563f8db6(a)t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, MuahMan <muahman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 21, 12:54�pm, Steve Hix <se...(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote: > > In article > > <8695e6aa-3aff-4230-bcb7-b02499902...(a)l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, > > > > �-hh <recscuba_goo...(a)huntzinger.com> wrote: > > > Steve Hix <se...(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote: > > > > > > There you hit one major factor mitigating against a flat tax system > > > > ever > > > > being > > > > adopted; a huge number of federal employees (and union and bureaucracy) > > > > would > > > > be excess to need. > > > > > YMMV on what is "huge". � The IRS is only around 30,000 employees. > > > > What about all those poor, innocent tax accountants? How will they feed > > their > > children? Think of the children! > > > > > In the meantime, there's over 5 **million** outside the Fed, at your > > > State & Local level. �Perhaps you should go comment about your post- > > > tax burdens imposed upon you by your local State Sales Tax, local > > > County & Municipal Property Taxes, etc, etc. > > > > Don't think that that's forgotten, what with roughly 50% of our income > > taken out > > in total tax burden here in CA. > > > > Forgot to mention, btw, that the tax code embodies favors for all sorts of > > politicians for their constituents, and assorted special interests, getting > > special treatment in various and sundry ways. > > > > The tax system, overall, is pretty much broken. It would help to throw it > > all > > out and clean-sheet it. Won't happen. Sadly. > > :) > > As the United States gets more and more polarized we should hope for a > 2nd Civil War. A bloody revolution where the Left (big government, > lazy) fight it out with the Right (small government, hard working) is > what we need. Duke it out and see who wins. If the left wins, nobody > has to work. Government pays 100% of everything for 100% of everyone. > If the Right wins, people have to get jobs, start businesses, etc. You've not been watching closely. If you think there are enough on your definition of the right still around, you are sadly mistaken. Just look at recent history to see how the money got spent, who got it and who got the shaft... Both the right and the left politicians are corporate lapdogs these days, with little difference between their actions. Only in the bullshit they spew do you hear any difference. -- Lloyd
From: -hh on 21 Jul 2010 17:29
On Jul 21, 12:54 pm, Steve Hix <se...(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote: > In article <8695e6aa-3aff-4230-bcb7-b02499902...(a)l14g2000yql.googlegroups..com>, > > -hh <recscuba_goo...(a)huntzinger.com> wrote: > > Steve Hix <se...(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote: > > > > There you hit one major factor mitigating against a flat tax system ever > > > being > > > adopted; a huge number of federal employees (and union and bureaucracy) > > > would > > > be excess to need. > > > YMMV on what is "huge". The IRS is only around 30,000 employees. > > What about all those poor, innocent tax accountants? How will they feed their > children? Think of the children! Every such institution has "trickle down" effects. As such, picking on just that which is <2% of the Fed budget (and 0% of the State and 0% of the Local) will tend to ignore issues of far greater significance. > > In the meantime, there's over 5 **million** outside the Fed, at your > > State & Local level. Perhaps you should go comment about your post- > > tax burdens imposed upon you by your local State Sales Tax, local > > County & Municipal Property Taxes, etc, etc. > > Don't think that that's forgotten, what with roughly 50% of our income taken > out in total tax burden here in CA. Since 1.6% (that's the recently reported actual pecentage) of the (call it the marginal rate of) 28% tax rate is <0.5%, there's two orders of magnitude between your subject of focus and your local 50% rate ("issues of greater significance"). > Forgot to mention, btw, that the tax code embodies favors for all sorts of > politicians for their constituents, and assorted special interests, getting > special treatment in various and sundry ways. Loopholes big enough to drive an Estate through. > The tax system, overall, is pretty much broken. It would help to throw it all > out and clean-sheet it. Won't happen. Sadly. Yes, its clearly quite broken and that is unlikely to change. So too is the budgetary process by which we see gobs of congressional "Earmarks" to dictate spending. -hh |