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From: George Kerby on 20 Jul 2010 20:20 On 7/20/10 6:01 PM, in article 00AA0BC6.71983449(a)SendSpamHere.ORG, "VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG" <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > In article <sehix-FE132D.15184820072010(a)5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, Steve Hix > <sehix(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> writes: >> In article <i2367s$a6t$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, >> Wes Groleau <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote: >> >>> And a flat ten percent would benefit Joe (but not as much as he thinks, >>> because Rich will just get it back in the prices of the goods he sells >>> to Joe. >>> >>> But it would increase the money the government has to work with. >>> Before you say "not so," consider that a flat ten percent would >>> not require hundreds of pages of incomprehensible "explanations" >>> from the IRS. >> >> There you hit one major factor mitigating against a flat tax system ever >> being >> adopted; a huge number of federal employees (and union and bureaucracy) would >> be >> excess to need. >> >> Watch out for calls for a VAT, too, especially if it's to be added to the >> current tax structure, rather than replacing, for example, personal income >> taxes. > > 99.9% of the gov't is a waste anyway. Nobody would miss 'em. They are the only ones hiring now because the private sector is unable to bear the burden, thanks to them. The circle goes unbroken...
From: Steve Hix on 20 Jul 2010 22:47 In article <00AA0BC6.71983449(a)SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <sehix-FE132D.15184820072010(a)5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, Steve Hix > <sehix(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> writes: > >In article <i2367s$a6t$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > > Wes Groleau <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote: > > > >> And a flat ten percent would benefit Joe (but not as much as he thinks, > >> because Rich will just get it back in the prices of the goods he sells > >> to Joe. > >> > >> But it would increase the money the government has to work with. > >> Before you say "not so," consider that a flat ten percent would > >> not require hundreds of pages of incomprehensible "explanations" > >> from the IRS. > > > >There you hit one major factor mitigating against a flat tax system ever > >being > >adopted; a huge number of federal employees (and union and bureaucracy) > >would be > >excess to need. > > > >Watch out for calls for a VAT, too, especially if it's to be added to the > >current tax structure, rather than replacing, for example, personal income > >taxes. > > 99.9% of the gov't is a waste anyway. Nobody would miss 'em. Like ants and rodents. The which seem to be doing altogether too well.
From: -hh on 21 Jul 2010 07:02 Steve Hix <se...(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote: > > There you hit one major factor mitigating against a flat tax system ever being > adopted; a huge number of federal employees (and union and bureaucracy) would > be excess to need. YMMV on what is "huge". The IRS is only around 30,000 employees. In the meantime, there's over 5 **million** outside the Fed, at your State & Local level. Perhaps you should go comment about your post- tax burdens imposed upon you by your local State Sales Tax, local County & Municipal Property Taxes, etc, etc. -hh
From: Steve Hix on 21 Jul 2010 12:54 In article <8695e6aa-3aff-4230-bcb7-b02499902f2d(a)l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, -hh <recscuba_google(a)huntzinger.com> wrote: > Steve Hix <se...(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote: > > > > There you hit one major factor mitigating against a flat tax system ever > > being > > adopted; a huge number of federal employees (and union and bureaucracy) > > would > > be excess to need. > > YMMV on what is "huge". The IRS is only around 30,000 employees. What about all those poor, innocent tax accountants? How will they feed their children? Think of the children! > In the meantime, there's over 5 **million** outside the Fed, at your > State & Local level. Perhaps you should go comment about your post- > tax burdens imposed upon you by your local State Sales Tax, local > County & Municipal Property Taxes, etc, etc. Don't think that that's forgotten, what with roughly 50% of our income taken out in total tax burden here in CA. Forgot to mention, btw, that the tax code embodies favors for all sorts of politicians for their constituents, and assorted special interests, getting special treatment in various and sundry ways. The tax system, overall, is pretty much broken. It would help to throw it all out and clean-sheet it. Won't happen. Sadly.
From: MuahMan on 21 Jul 2010 16:18
On Jul 21, 12:54 pm, Steve Hix <se...(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote: > In article <8695e6aa-3aff-4230-bcb7-b02499902...(a)l14g2000yql.googlegroups..com>, > > -hh <recscuba_goo...(a)huntzinger.com> wrote: > > Steve Hix <se...(a)NOSPAMmac.comINVALID> wrote: > > > > There you hit one major factor mitigating against a flat tax system ever > > > being > > > adopted; a huge number of federal employees (and union and bureaucracy) > > > would > > > be excess to need. > > > YMMV on what is "huge". The IRS is only around 30,000 employees. > > What about all those poor, innocent tax accountants? How will they feed their > children? Think of the children! > > > In the meantime, there's over 5 **million** outside the Fed, at your > > State & Local level. Perhaps you should go comment about your post- > > tax burdens imposed upon you by your local State Sales Tax, local > > County & Municipal Property Taxes, etc, etc. > > Don't think that that's forgotten, what with roughly 50% of our income taken out > in total tax burden here in CA. > > Forgot to mention, btw, that the tax code embodies favors for all sorts of > politicians for their constituents, and assorted special interests, getting > special treatment in various and sundry ways. > > The tax system, overall, is pretty much broken. It would help to throw it all > out and clean-sheet it. Won't happen. Sadly. :) As the United States gets more and more polarized we should hope for a 2nd Civil War. A bloody revolution where the Left (big government, lazy) fight it out with the Right (small government, hard working) is what we need. Duke it out and see who wins. If the left wins, nobody has to work. Government pays 100% of everything for 100% of everyone. If the Right wins, people have to get jobs, start businesses, etc. |