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From: Fred Moore on 25 May 2010 14:59
OpenOffice.org, the basis of NeoOffice (the Mac OS 10 customized version
of OOo), changed the location in Preferences of your keyboard shortcuts
without bothering to tell the NeoO staff. If you upgrade to NeoO 3.1 or
higher without *exporting* your custom keyboard shortcuts first from
NeoO v3.0.x or below, you'll loose them.

However, the good news is that you will likely be able to recover them
and load them into 3.1, which stores them in a new place. Follow these
instructions to transfer your custom keyboard shortcuts:

<http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=80
95>
and
<http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=81
29&highlight=openoffice>

Important note: You must export (via the Save button) your custom
shortcuts _separately_ for any global shortcuts you have made as well as
shortcuts in each module.

This recovery isn't really that much of a problem, **once you know
what's going on**. However, if you hit it cold, it's disturbing.
From: Larry Gusaas on 25 May 2010 23:44
On 2010/05/25 12:59 PM Fred Moore wrote:
> OpenOffice.org, the basis of NeoOffice (the Mac OS 10 customized version
> of OOo), changed the location in Preferences of your keyboard shortcuts
> without bothering to tell the NeoO staff.
Why should they. NeoOffice takes OOo code and does not give anything
back to OOo. They are a bunch of parasites.

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Larry I. Gusaas
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Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - Edgard Varese

From: Fred Moore on 26 May 2010 12:07
In article <hti5en$9qi$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2010/05/25 12:59 PM Fred Moore wrote:
> > OpenOffice.org, the basis of NeoOffice (the Mac OS 10 customized version
> > of OOo), changed the location in Preferences of your keyboard shortcuts
> > without bothering to tell the NeoO staff.
> Why should they. NeoOffice takes OOo code and does not give anything
> back to OOo. They are a bunch of parasites.

OOo has never given a flying fig about the Mac. Their 'support' for the
Mac has not even risen to the level of a bad joke, so it's certainly not
surprising they didn't inform the NeoO team about the changes.

NeoO was the first to make the OOo code anywhere close to Mac-like for
our OS. OOo Aqua, while at very long last an attempt to produce a Mac
application, is still nowhere near as good or as tailored to the Mac as
NeoO. Sorry, Larry, but I'm staying with the folks who brought a good
Office alternative to the Mac.
From: Calum on 27 May 2010 20:17
On 27/05/10 17:11, Erik Richard S�rensen wrote:

> With all respect Fred. - That's simply not true! - No NeoOffice
> developer has offered as much as a single bit to the OOo team! - Instead
> they've stolen faster than a sneaking thief as soon a a nightly-build of
> OOo has seen the morning lights.

While I'm very much on Sun/Oracle/OOo's side, here, this is a bit of a
silly accusation -- you can't 'steal' open source code. The whole
*point* of open source code is to make it available for anyone else to
re-use however they wish (provided the abide by the terms of its licence).

I'm no fan of Neo's tactics wrt OOo, but such is open source life-- you
don't get to choose who benefits from your efforts. And (licensing
issues aside) you certainly don't have any grounds for complaint when
somebody does.

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From: Erik Richard Sørensen on 28 May 2010 09:27

Calum wrote:
> On 27/05/10 17:11, Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
>> With all respect Fred. - That's simply not true! - No NeoOffice
>> developer has offered as much as a single bit to the OOo team! - Instead
>> they've stolen faster than a sneaking thief as soon a a nightly-build of
>> OOo has seen the morning lights.
>
> While I'm very much on Sun/Oracle/OOo's side, here, this is a bit of a
> silly accusation -- you can't 'steal' open source code. The whole
> *point* of open source code is to make it available for anyone else to
> re-use however they wish (provided the abide by the terms of its licence).

You are partially right, but some parts of the OOo - among others the
Fonts Replacement and CTL - are given in a free licens from the
originally implementation in the StarOffice versions of the OpenOffice.
And if you read the GPL licens agreement, you *must* provide from where
you have the code - even when it's free.

I now do a lot of translations - also open source software from English
into Danish, and therefore I also needed to 'translate' the GPL license
agreement paragraphs, but I then thought that there must be a Danish
version somewhere. I found one and for the first time I took the time to
_read_ all the conditions and not just skimming through. That's why I
know that it's true, what I write here.

> I'm no fan of Neo's tactics wrt OOo, but such is open source life-- you
> don't get to choose who benefits from your efforts. And (licensing
> issues aside) you certainly don't have any grounds for complaint when
> somebody does.

I've been using the NeoOffice on my PB G4/1,6ghz until the PPC version
of the OpenOffice 3.2.x occcurred again, but since then, it's OOo only
for me. OK, I still install the NeoOffice on older G4s (400-1000mhz)
with 10.4.x, since here the OOo simply is too heavy to use - especially
if you're working with spreadsheets. - The writer part can do. - Right
now I'm thinking of 'upgrading' to the StarOffice 9.x on my Macs and my
XPPro machine to have equal solutions all over. - Also because
StarOffice is a bit faster than OpenOffice.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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