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From: J. Clarke on 28 Jun 2010 15:43
On 6/28/2010 2:07 PM, kado(a)nventure.com wrote:
> On Jun 27, 7:22 am, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Neutrino experiments sow seeds of possible revolution
>>
>> Recent results from two experiments that examine the behavior of
>> neutrinos and anti-neutrinos hint at the possibility of a revolution in
>> particle physics.
>>
>> http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/60568/title/Neutrino_exper...
>
> Well, if the Special Relativity of Einstein is a
> fallacy, should not all the experiments that
> included any tenets of SR require a new start?

The big news there is that there's possibly something wrong with our
assumptions about neutrinos--if so that's going to cause a lot more
excitement in the quantum theory community than in the relativity
community, since quantum theory has _never_ worked and played well with
relativity. I suspect that it's going to be difficult to explain
different masses for neutrinos and antineutrinos without assuming some
kind of substructure for them.


From: kado on 29 Jun 2010 06:12
On Jun 28, 12:43 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
>
snip
>
> The big news there is that there's possibly something wrong with our
> assumptions about neutrinos--if so that's going to cause a lot more
> excitement in the quantum theory community than in the relativity
> community, since quantum theory has _never_ worked and played well with
> relativity.  I suspect that it's going to be difficult to explain
> different masses for neutrinos and antineutrinos without assuming some
> kind of substructure for them.

You sure hit the nail (i.e., neutrino) on the head.

My post was just a quick tongue in cheek response to the
statement: 'The new findings “could even signal a tiny
breakdown of Einstein’s theory of special relativity,”
Mohapatra adds. “This could completely alter the way we
are doing physics now,”' in the reference article posted
by Sam Wormley.

One cannot empirically find something if one does not know
what he/she is looking for. Heck, the domain of the very
small (particle physics) dictates that the human eyeball
is not adequate, because these particles are all too small
to be seen. So particle physicists must rely on sensors of
different sorts and kinds and other such instruments and
apparatus.
If you don't know what your are looking for, how do you know
you're employing the right sensor with the adequate
sensitivity?

All the ideas about the neutrino are all based on WAGs and
suppositions on what these are able to do or affect, as
well as what their physical and electro-magnetic properties
are. The supposed effects attributed to the neutrino may be
due to any number of other causes, i.e., other than the
neutrino.

In other words; all the current notions of the neutrino are
based on gedankens and suppositions, just like SR and GR.
(The antineutrino may be just an artifact [red herring]
brought about by these suppositions.)

Nevertheless just because all the current ideas of the
neutrino may not be correct still does not mean that there
is not a major and fatal flaw in SR.

Furthermore, quantum mechanics, QED, or whatever you want to
call particle physics has become just a hodge-podge collection
of often contradictory notions and suppositions. So there are
plenty of kinks in particle physics.

D.Y.K.

From: Raymond Yohros on 1 Jul 2010 11:11
On Jun 28, 2:43 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
>  I suspect that it's going to be difficult to explain
> different masses for neutrinos and antineutrinos without assuming some
> kind of substructure for them.
>

to understand neutrino flow you need to have a good ear!
if you are well trained with music, you can sometimes
see a pattern in what may sound like just noise.

to make an analogy with a drum instrument
the electron neutrino can be like the hi-hat
(less dense but more repetitions)
the muon like a snare (midrange and half repetitions)
and the Tau is the kick that defines the tempo rate of
the flow.

regards
r.y

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