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From: Bill Graham on 12 Feb 2010 02:39 "J�rgen Exner" <jurgenex(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:smh8n5h5vlu9k0pdj3qj0u6rsnmtcgt9b6(a)4ax.com... >C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>On 2010-02-09 14:12:21 -0800, J�rgen Exner <jurgenex(a)hotmail.com> said: >> >>> C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> Either that or their own tax-hungry governments think they are. America >>>> has no VAT. >>> >>> 1: Canada does have VAT, it is called "Goods and Services Tax". Don't >>> know about other countries in America. >>> 2: I am quite certain I prefer a flat simple straightforward VAT over >>> the impenetrable jungle of local, state, county and other sales taxes >>> that are slapped on in the US and sometimes vary just across the street. > [...] >>If you like this oppressive, extremely regressive tax, fine with me. > > ??? > You see me mystified and scratching my head. > > How is a system that charges exactly the same percentage from > everyone[*] regressive, or even worse "extremely regressive", in > absolute terms? > And how is it more regressive in relative terms (if that's what you > meant) than sales tax where rich cities, which are rich because rich > people are living there, don't leverage sales tax while poor cities have > no other choice? > > *: In reality there are typically 3 or 4 different levels of VAT, none > or reduced for basic needs like e.g. food, standard, and high for luxury > items, thus actually making it a rather progressive tax because > low-income people are unlikely to buy large amounts of the high-taxed > luxury items. > > jue And wouldn't Bill Gates love a sales tax......He wouldn't spend any more than he does now, but his investments would make billions of dollars every year, and it would all be tax free., Talk about a regressive tax system.....
From: Bill Graham on 12 Feb 2010 02:52 "Bruce" <docnews2011(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:f4s8n5pdj1ok792n0fbh5f2fjd5o15ggbn(a)4ax.com... > Otherwise, the consumer would be paying tax on tax, and that doesn't > happen. > It doesn't? Have you ever heard of a place called, "California"? First, you pay a federal income tax. Then you pay a state income tax on the same money you made and just paid a fed. income tax on. Then, you pay an annual house tax, and an annual tax on all your vehicles and boats. Then, when you go to the store and spend what little money you have left over, (assuming that you have any left over) you have to pay a sales tax on everything you buy, including the fast food, or any processed food whatsoever, and anything some state clerk decided is not healthy for you to eat, own, or smoke....:^) And I haven't even mentioned all the licensing fees you might have to pay for your cats, dogs, bicycles and etc.......
From: Ray Fischer on 12 Feb 2010 03:26 Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote: >Sales taxes represent double taxation, and should be declared >unconstitutional. Bad news for anarchist rightards: The Constitution doesn't say whatever you want it to say. > Anyone with an ounce of feeling about what's right and >fair Obviously that rules you out. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 12 Feb 2010 03:28 Pete Stavrakoglou <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote: >I don't see much evidence that Obama is much of a thinker. Take away the >teleprompter and he's lost for words. Such obvious bigotry and lying really doesn't say much for you. Obama speaks in public regularly and without teleprompters and speaks quite well. AND he is capable of keeping three simple ideas in his head without having to write them on his palm. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 12 Feb 2010 03:29
Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >"Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message >news:hl17kf$m7t$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message >> news:4b740603$0$21683$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >>> "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>> news:OpSdneCy8pAsnu_WnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>> >>>> "C J Campbell" <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >>>> message >>>> news:2010020916350416807-christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmailcom... >>>>> On 2010-02-09 14:48:32 -0800, Bruce <docnews2011(a)gmail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:36:11 -0800, C J Campbell >>>>>> <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Both parties are obsessed with populist "blame the bankers for the >>>>>>> economy" rhetoric. Which means they are likely to do nothing. Which >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> just the way I like it. Unfortunately, while neither party has said >>>>>>> "Jewish bankers," the message is just as clear. The nation is being >>>>>>> run >>>>>>> by fascists who dominate both sides of the aisle. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You should thank God for Sarah Palin, then. >>>>>> >>>>>> Palin to the rescue, 2012. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> I think not. She will be a fine news commentator -- meaning she will be >>>>> good for Fox's ratings. But she is regarded as poison by both parties. >>>>> Her image would need considerable rehabilitation to make her a viable >>>>> candidate for pretty much anything. >>>>> >>>>> I am sure that there are politicians who have a clear sense of >>>>> responsibility to the Republic and who are not hostage to the >>>>> extremists of their party. I am also sure that no one like that has a >>>>> snowball's chance in Hades of getting elected president. Apparently, >>>>> being a certifiable nutcase is prerequisite for the job. Okay. So Palin >>>>> to the rescue, then. >>>>> >>>> Nutcase or not, if she does nothing but stop those presses from printing >>>> money, I'll vote for her....... >>> >>> >>> You are even more scary than I thought. >>> >>> -- >>> Peter >> >> I'll take her over the current mistake in the White House in a heartbeat. >> >Yes. He is the one printing the money and giving it away to the "Poor". Another outright lie. The deficit exists almost entirely because of Bush and the Republicans who gave away trillions of dollars to the wealthy. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net |