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From: Pete Stavrakoglou on 22 Feb 2010 08:08 "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message news:4b75fd7f$0$12419$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... > "Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message > news:hl3i1v$egi$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:e639n5l1ojhndtjn77g7nu75vhljjuj5n5(a)4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:32:37 -0500, "Pete Stavrakoglou" >>> <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote: >>> >>>>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>news:i2b8n59tp15ch64gtu0gdt2q5l7vv8huip(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:28:54 -0500, "Pete Stavrakoglou" >>>>> <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Sounds like you are confusing her with Obama. He never had to make a >>>>>>hard >>>>>>decision in any facet of his career before becoming president. At >>>>>>least >>>>>>Palin has experience running something. >>>>> >>>>> Running away from running something is a better description. With >>>>> Palin as President, she'd lose interest in the job if things didn't >>>>> go her way and find some other bright and shiny object to play with. >>>>> >>>>> To me, she's like the Bearded Lady in the carnival sideshow...people >>>>> will pay to see her, but nobody wants to take her home. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>> >>>>She may not be the best choice and is certainly not my first or even >>>>second >>>>but if it is between her and Obama, there is no contest. I'll take her >>>>in >>>>an instant over Obama. >>>> >>> It seems to me that one of the biggest hurdles any modern-day >>> President has is to effectively work with Congress by retaining the >>> support of his/her own party members and securing at least some >>> support of the opposing party's members. >>> >>> Obama has not been particularly effective in this, but Palin would not >>> be at all effective in this. IMO. >>> -- >>> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >> >> It's the policy differences that matter more to me. The differences >> between Palin and Obama are like night and day. >> > > Palin has no well thought out policy. If I am wrong, please tell me what > it is. > BTW I was in Alaska last Summer, passed through Wasilla and could not see > Russia. > > -- > Peter Maybe you can from one of the other 57 states Obama visited.
From: Pete Stavrakoglou on 22 Feb 2010 08:15 "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message news:4b7f3866$0$27744$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... > "Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message > news:hlhlho$9om$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >> >> You are describing the president. He has a flair for speaking as long as >> it is orchestrated but there was zero substance to him, absolutely zero. >> But he was elected anyway. As the polls indicate, the wool has been >> removed from some of the voters eyes and Jimmy Carter II has been >> exposed. >> > > > You very well know who I was describing and that it was not the President. > Pre-election over, you were saying the same thing. You won't even give his > ideas a reasonable chance. Your chief complaint about him is that he is > not a conservative who doesn't give a hoot for people. I strongly suspect > that you and I have the same social goals. We just differ on how to > achieve them. I am convinced that we need some intelligent government > intervention to keep good people honest and to dilute the greed that > pervades some people, just as we need laws against clearly criminal > behavior. > > > -- > Peter My chief complaint? Where do I start? It's his policies. As much debt as the previous administration incurred, it's nothing compared to this one. Government control of health care, despite what proponents claim the majority of Americans want nothing to do with it but damn it, he's going to give it to us anyway. Please, I never stated that my complaint about him was what you said. My complaints about him are substantive and have everything to do with his policies and the direction he is taking our country in. Our federal government has gone far beyond the scope the fgounding fathers envisioned. They are engaging in unconstitutional acts. Government ownership of GM and Chrysler. Health care. It's unconstitutional.
From: Bill Graham on 22 Feb 2010 23:39 "Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message news:hlu01m$4ll$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message > news:4b7f3866$0$27744$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >> "Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message >> news:hlhlho$9om$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >>> >>> You are describing the president. He has a flair for speaking as long >>> as it is orchestrated but there was zero substance to him, absolutely >>> zero. But he was elected anyway. As the polls indicate, the wool has >>> been removed from some of the voters eyes and Jimmy Carter II has been >>> exposed. >>> >> >> >> You very well know who I was describing and that it was not the >> President. Pre-election over, you were saying the same thing. You won't >> even give his ideas a reasonable chance. Your chief complaint about him >> is that he is not a conservative who doesn't give a hoot for people. I >> strongly suspect that you and I have the same social goals. We just >> differ on how to achieve them. I am convinced that we need some >> intelligent government intervention to keep good people honest and to >> dilute the greed that pervades some people, just as we need laws against >> clearly criminal behavior. >> >> >> -- >> Peter > > My chief complaint? Where do I start? It's his policies. As much debt > as the previous administration incurred, it's nothing compared to this > one. Government control of health care, despite what proponents claim the > majority of Americans want nothing to do with it but damn it, he's going > to give it to us anyway. Please, I never stated that my complaint about > him was what you said. My complaints about him are substantive and have > everything to do with his policies and the direction he is taking our > country in. > > Our federal government has gone far beyond the scope the fgounding fathers > envisioned. They are engaging in unconstitutional acts. Government > ownership of GM and Chrysler. Health care. It's unconstitutional. > This government doesn't understand what the US Constitution is all about. they think we live in, "A Democracy where the majority rules." They don't understand that a pure democracy doesn't work. We live in a constitutional republic where the rule of the majority is subject to the constraints of the document called the Constitution. This is what protects the minority from the tyranny of the majority. It is what protects you from the people making a law that takes all your money away from you (for example) and distributing it amongst themselves. And there are many other things that the constitution protects you from, too. People don't seem to understand that anymore. I doubt if the constitution is taught even in law school anymore. I learned about it way back in grammar school in the 40's. Today I hear people say that it is an "Obsolete document" that is no longer relevant. They think that all it does is outline our three branches of government and dictate how we should elect our leaders. This is not what the constitution is all about. It is the document that gave that guy in California back in the 60's his right to start a cable TV business when the people of the state on California made a law that prevented him from going into that business. Unfortunately, they learned nothing. Which is why you can't operate a, "Smoking bar" in Palo Alto, California right now. The Constitution should protect that right too, but because nobody understands it, it isn't doing its job anymore. You can't bring every stupid case to the Supreme Court. The average Joe just doesn't have that kind of money. You have to depend on the average lawyer/judge to understand the document, and if they don't, then it will not be able to do its job, and that is the situation we are fast approaching. Hell, we are probably already there......
From: tony cooper on 23 Feb 2010 00:01 On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:39:37 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >"Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message >news:hlu01m$4ll$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote in message >> news:4b7f3866$0$27744$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com... >>> "Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message >>> news:hlhlho$9om$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>>> >>>> You are describing the president. He has a flair for speaking as long >>>> as it is orchestrated but there was zero substance to him, absolutely >>>> zero. But he was elected anyway. As the polls indicate, the wool has >>>> been removed from some of the voters eyes and Jimmy Carter II has been >>>> exposed. >>>> >>> >>> >>> You very well know who I was describing and that it was not the >>> President. Pre-election over, you were saying the same thing. You won't >>> even give his ideas a reasonable chance. Your chief complaint about him >>> is that he is not a conservative who doesn't give a hoot for people. I >>> strongly suspect that you and I have the same social goals. We just >>> differ on how to achieve them. I am convinced that we need some >>> intelligent government intervention to keep good people honest and to >>> dilute the greed that pervades some people, just as we need laws against >>> clearly criminal behavior. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Peter >> >> My chief complaint? Where do I start? It's his policies. As much debt >> as the previous administration incurred, it's nothing compared to this >> one. Government control of health care, despite what proponents claim the >> majority of Americans want nothing to do with it but damn it, he's going >> to give it to us anyway. Please, I never stated that my complaint about >> him was what you said. My complaints about him are substantive and have >> everything to do with his policies and the direction he is taking our >> country in. >> >> Our federal government has gone far beyond the scope the fgounding fathers >> envisioned. They are engaging in unconstitutional acts. Government >> ownership of GM and Chrysler. Health care. It's unconstitutional. >> >This government doesn't understand what the US Constitution is all about. >they think we live in, "A Democracy where the majority rules." They don't >understand that a pure democracy doesn't work. We live in a constitutional >republic where the rule of the majority is subject to the constraints of the >document called the Constitution. This is what protects the minority from >the tyranny of the majority. It is what protects you from the people making >a law that takes all your money away from you (for example) and distributing >it amongst themselves. And there are many other things that the constitution >protects you from, too. People don't seem to understand that anymore. I >doubt if the constitution is taught even in law school anymore. I learned >about it way back in grammar school in the 40's. Today I hear people say >that it is an "Obsolete document" that is no longer relevant. They think >that all it does is outline our three branches of government and dictate how >we should elect our leaders. This is not what the constitution is all about. >It is the document that gave that guy in California back in the 60's his >right to start a cable TV business when the people of the state on >California made a law that prevented him from going into that business. >Unfortunately, they learned nothing. Which is why you can't operate a, >"Smoking bar" in Palo Alto, California right now. The Constitution should >protect that right too, but because nobody understands it, it isn't doing >its job anymore. You can't bring every stupid case to the Supreme Court. The >average Joe just doesn't have that kind of money. You have to depend on the >average lawyer/judge to understand the document, and if they don't, then it >will not be able to do its job, and that is the situation we are fast >approaching. Hell, we are probably already there...... After reading Bill's posts, one has to wonder how he remained employed all those years. How could an employer deal with an employee with so little ability to think and tears off on these wild rants all the time? -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Ray Fischer on 23 Feb 2010 00:02
Pete Stavrakoglou <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote: >My chief complaint? Where do I start? It's his policies. As much debt as >the previous administration incurred, it's nothing compared to this one. That's lie #1: Bush created far more debt and most of the current defcit is BECAUSE of Bush. >Government control of health care, despite what proponents claim the >majority of Americans want nothing to do with it That's lie #2: In several surveys people have stated that a public option is just what people want. It's only because of a disinformation campaign funded by insurance companies that some stupid people have been suckered. > Please, I never stated that my complaint about him >was what you said. My complaints about him are substantive Your complaints are based upon political bigotry and lies. >Our federal government has gone far beyond the scope the fgounding fathers >envisioned. Says who? > They are engaging in unconstitutional acts. Says who? Some dishonest extremist? -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net |