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From: George Kerby on 13 Feb 2010 20:29 On 2/13/10 6:24 PM, in article 2010021316244816807-christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmailcom, "C J Campbell" <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 2010-02-13 11:46:54 -0800, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: > >> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>>> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>>>> C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> You know, I don't know where people get this caricature of Bill Gates >>>>>>> being a greedy, selfish moneybags. >>>>>> >>>>>> To some degree nearly every corporate CEO is a greedy, selfish >>>>>> moneybag. It's nearly a job requirement. >>>>> >>>>> You obviously refuse to recognize the responsibility of a CEO, regardless >>>>> of >>>>> the size of the corporation. >>>> >>>> Correct. >>>> >>>>> When you open up in the morning and realize >>>>> that x number of people are looking to you for guidance and depend on your >>>>> skills to prevent starvation, or to promote a reasonable life style, you >>>>> should recognize that you have an awesome responsibility. Sure, some are >>>>> greedy turds, but they are in the minority. >>>> >>>> I have seen far too many CEO's laying off $60,000/yr workers so that >>>> they can continue to take home $20,000,000/yr. To think that a >>>> typical CEO has the interests of employees as a priority is naive. >>>> If they cared about employees or the company then they'd be getting >>>> $1,000,000/yr and using the extra money to keep 200 employees producing >>>> products to sell. >>> >>> Your comments make it obvious that you know absolutely nothing about >>> business. A good CEO holds the interests the company first. >> >> LOL! Is that what they tell you? >> >>> In a public >>> company, he is accountable to the board, who represents the interests of the >>> owners. >> >> ROFL! The board represent the shareholders?!? And you really believe that? >> >> When was the last time a board member got fired by the shareholders? >> When was the last time shareholders picked a board member? Or CEO? > > What are you talking about? Happens all the time. Or do you read the > financial pages? > >> >>> To maintain and grow a healthy company. A good manager recognizes >>> that the workers are the lifeblood of the company. >> >> If any of your beliefs were true then we wouldn't see corporations >> spending so much to hire and train workers only to fire them a few >> years later and then repeat the process again. >> >> Sure, there are some good CEOs, but there aren't many. > > Sez you. If you would be so much better, why ain't you rich? Because FishHead is a 'whiner', not a 'winner'. Typical 'Progressive' behavior. Typical on the "No-Cal" state of mind...
From: George Kerby on 13 Feb 2010 20:33 On 2/13/10 6:58 PM, in article 4b774ccb$1$18835$8f2e0ebb(a)news.shared-secrets.com, "Peter" <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: > "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message > news:4b7730d4$0$1608$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>> news:4b7701ae$0$1601$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>>> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>>> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>> >>> >>>>>> I have seen far too many CEO's laying off $60,000/yr workers so that >>>>>> they can continue to take home $20,000,000/yr. To think that a >>>>>> typical CEO has the interests of employees as a priority is naive. >>>>>> If they cared about employees or the company then they'd be getting >>>>>> $1,000,000/yr and using the extra money to keep 200 employees >>>>>> producing >>>>>> products to sell. >>> >>> How about some examples: You are making accusations of clear violations of >>> rhe SEC Regulations. >> >> What regulations? What violation? It's no violation to lay off >> hundreds of people. It's no violation to get $20,000,000/year. >> >>>>> Your comments make it obvious that you know absolutely nothing about >>>>> business. A good CEO holds the interests the company first. >>>> >>>> LOL! Is that what they tell you? >>> >>> They? Suggest you get over your bitter pill and learn something about the >>> reality of business before you open your mouth. >> >> Says the rightard who cannot actually refute what I write. >> >>>>> In a public >>>>> company, he is accountable to the board, who represents the interests of >>>>> the >>>>> owners. >>>> >>>> ROFL! The board represent the shareholders?!? And you really believe >>>> that? >>> >>> And just how do you think a director becomes a director. >> >> By being selected by the board. >> >>> He/she is elected >>> by vot of the shareholders. >> >> You may be that stupid, or not, but don't assume that I am that >> stupid. We both know that the vast majority of such elections >> are decided when the board recommends someone for the position. >> >>>> When was the last time a board member got fired by the shareholders? >>>> When was the last time shareholders picked a board member? Or CEO? >>>> >>> Read this and learn. >>> http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/04/082704.asp >> >> You must be pretty stupid. You didn't even notice that that doesn't >> answer either of my questions. >> >>>>> To maintain and grow a healthy company. A good manager recognizes >>>>> that the workers are the lifeblood of the company. >>>> >>>> If any of your beliefs were true then we wouldn't see corporations >>>> spending so much to hire and train workers only to fire them a few >>>> years later and then repeat the process again. >>> >>> My statements are based upon personal observation and experience. >> >> You statements are based on naive worship of corporations. >> >>>> Sure, there are some good CEOs, but there aren't many. >>> >>> More than you would admit. >> >> Less than you would admit. >> >>> Wow! You certainly are a fountain of >>> misinformation. >> >> I'm not a part of your cult of stupidity. When the incomes of CEOs >> explode and the incomes of workers actually fall then it's clear who >> is scamming whom. >> > > > You show the shallowness of your position by resorting to personal attacks. > It is clear that you have no business experience. > > Bye FishHead-Rot tends to have that effect on most rational people after a few exchanges. Welcome to the legion!
From: Ray Fischer on 13 Feb 2010 21:00 Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >news:4b7730d4$0$1608$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>news:4b7701ae$0$1601$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>>> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>> >>> >>>>>> I have seen far too many CEO's laying off $60,000/yr workers so that >>>>>> they can continue to take home $20,000,000/yr. To think that a >>>>>> typical CEO has the interests of employees as a priority is naive. >>>>>> If they cared about employees or the company then they'd be getting >>>>>> $1,000,000/yr and using the extra money to keep 200 employees >>>>>> producing >>>>>> products to sell. >>> >>>How about some examples: You are making accusations of clear violations of >>>rhe SEC Regulations. >> >> What regulations? What violation? It's no violation to lay off >> hundreds of people. It's no violation to get $20,000,000/year. >> >>>>>Your comments make it obvious that you know absolutely nothing about >>>>>business. A good CEO holds the interests the company first. >>>> >>>> LOL! Is that what they tell you? >>> >>>They? Suggest you get over your bitter pill and learn something about the >>>reality of business before you open your mouth. >> >> Says the rightard who cannot actually refute what I write. >> >>>>> In a public >>>>>company, he is accountable to the board, who represents the interests of >>>>>the >>>>>owners. >>>> >>>> ROFL! The board represent the shareholders?!? And you really believe >>>> that? >>> >>>And just how do you think a director becomes a director. >> >> By being selected by the board. >> >>> He/she is elected >>>by vot of the shareholders. >> >> You may be that stupid, or not, but don't assume that I am that >> stupid. We both know that the vast majority of such elections >> are decided when the board recommends someone for the position. >> >>>> When was the last time a board member got fired by the shareholders? >>>> When was the last time shareholders picked a board member? Or CEO? >>>> >>>Read this and learn. >>>http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/04/082704.asp >> >> You must be pretty stupid. You didn't even notice that that doesn't >> answer either of my questions. >> >>>>> To maintain and grow a healthy company. A good manager recognizes >>>>>that the workers are the lifeblood of the company. >>>> >>>> If any of your beliefs were true then we wouldn't see corporations >>>> spending so much to hire and train workers only to fire them a few >>>> years later and then repeat the process again. >>> >>>My statements are based upon personal observation and experience. >> >> You statements are based on naive worship of corporations. >> >>>> Sure, there are some good CEOs, but there aren't many. >>> >>>More than you would admit. >> >> Less than you would admit. >> >>> Wow! You certainly are a fountain of >>>misinformation. >> >> I'm not a part of your cult of stupidity. When the incomes of CEOs >> explode and the incomes of workers actually fall then it's clear who >> is scamming whom. > >You show the shallowness of your position by resorting to personal attacks. You show your dishonesty and cowardice by running away from all of my rebuttals above. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 13 Feb 2010 21:02 C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On 2010-02-13 11:46:54 -0800, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: > >> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>>> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>>>> C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> You know, I don't know where people get this caricature of Bill Gates >>>>>>> being a greedy, selfish moneybags. >>>>>> >>>>>> To some degree nearly every corporate CEO is a greedy, selfish >>>>>> moneybag. It's nearly a job requirement. >>>>> >>>>> You obviously refuse to recognize the responsibility of a CEO, regardless >>>>> of >>>>> the size of the corporation. >>>> >>>> Correct. >>>> >>>>> When you open up in the morning and realize >>>>> that x number of people are looking to you for guidance and depend on your >>>>> skills to prevent starvation, or to promote a reasonable life style, you >>>>> should recognize that you have an awesome responsibility. Sure, some are >>>>> greedy turds, but they are in the minority. >>>> >>>> I have seen far too many CEO's laying off $60,000/yr workers so that >>>> they can continue to take home $20,000,000/yr. To think that a >>>> typical CEO has the interests of employees as a priority is naive. >>>> If they cared about employees or the company then they'd be getting >>>> $1,000,000/yr and using the extra money to keep 200 employees producing >>>> products to sell. >>> >>> Your comments make it obvious that you know absolutely nothing about >>> business. A good CEO holds the interests the company first. >> >> LOL! Is that what they tell you? >> >>> In a public >>> company, he is accountable to the board, who represents the interests of the >>> owners. >> >> ROFL! The board represent the shareholders?!? And you really believe that? >> >> When was the last time a board member got fired by the shareholders? >> When was the last time shareholders picked a board member? Or CEO? > >What are you talking about? Happens all the time. Or do you read the >financial pages? Then you should be able to provide plenty of examples.... >>> To maintain and grow a healthy company. A good manager recognizes >>> that the workers are the lifeblood of the company. >> >> If any of your beliefs were true then we wouldn't see corporations >> spending so much to hire and train workers only to fire them a few >> years later and then repeat the process again. >> >> Sure, there are some good CEOs, but there aren't many. > >Sez you. Over the past three decades executive income has exploded. The income of workers? Nearly stagnant and, in the past decade, the average has actually gone down. But you're a gullible idiot. You say "thank you" when you're getting screwed. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: tony cooper on 13 Feb 2010 23:18
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:12:34 -0800, C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Why do I get the feeling you do not know the difference between a >progressive and a regressive tax? These are distinct economic terms >that have nothing to do with whether a tax is "good" or "bad;" they >just describe the manner of taxation. "Progressive" taxes collect a >higher percentage of income as income goes up. "Regressive" taxes >collect a higher percentage of income as income goes down. "Neutral" >taxes collect the same percentage of income from everybody. That last sentence doesn't describe a "neutral tax". It's called a "flat tax". (A neutral tax is a tax that doesn't affect decisions in expenditures) Flat taxes are regressive unless thresholds or exemptions are manipulated like the proposals for the "FairTax" claim to do. There are only two brackets: regressive or progressive. There's nothing in between because, like a perpetual motion machine, no one has discovered a taxation system that isn't either regressive or progressive. >From what I can see here, most of the people arguing about this subject >have probably never taken a basic course in economics I have. And more. >in their entire >lives. Either that, or they forgot everything they ever learned. I sometimes forget where I put my keys, or why I came into the room, but not everything they pushed at me in those oh-so-dry economic lectures in undergrad and grad school. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |