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From: Sam Wormley on 27 Jul 2010 11:04
On 7/27/10 8:59 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> After the 19 mile they will want a 38 mile,
> then a round one, then a linear one again, longer...

And when the 19 mile produces new understanding and hints
and even more insight into the structure of nature with a
38 mile linear accelerator, we should and will build it.

Henry Ford mass produced cars that got people around just
fine... why build faster more expensive cars like we do
today.


From: PD on 27 Jul 2010 11:42
On Jul 26, 3:57 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> New data suggest a lighter Higgshttp://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/61449/title/New_data_sugge...
>
> Fermilab results heat up race for an elusive particle
> By Ron Cowen
>
> "Combined data from two experiments at the Fermilab's Tevatron particle
> accelerator indicate that the elusive Higgs boson — known as the God
> particle — does not have a mass between 158 and 175 GeV. Fermilab
> The God particle has fewer places to hide".
>
> "Studies from the Large Electron-Positron Collider, which shut down in
> 2000 at the European research organization CERN, along with indirect
> constraints from both theory and experiments, had indicated that the
> Higgs could have a mass anywhere between 114 and 185 GeV. In late 2009,
> the two Tevatron experiments, known as CDF and DZero, excluded the range
> between 162 GeV and 166 GeV. With the new constraints, CDF and DZero
> have now ruled out nearly 25 percent of the mass range for the Higgs
> allowed prior to 2009, before the two experiments began weighing in on
> the proposed particle".
>
> See:http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/61449/title/New_data_sugge....

The LHC is better tuned to finding it if it's higher mass, and FNAL is
better tuned to finding it if it's lower mass, so on the face of it,
FNAL still has a slight advantage in plumbing the remaining space.
However, really all this does is to focus attention on two different
sets of decay channels, one set dominating at low mass and the other
set dominating at higher mass. So tweaking the reconstruction
algorithms to be more efficient with the targeted decay channels will
accelerate discovery.

The really interesting event will be if no Higgs is found at all.
That's because we know SOMETHING has to happen. But if it's not a
light Higgs, then LHC will be better positioned to find it.

PD
From: PD on 27 Jul 2010 12:19
On Jul 27, 8:59 am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On a sunny day (Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:44:58 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Igor
> <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote in
> <01336883-0b6c-4939-aa19-39e31726b...(a)q2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>:
>
> Predictable madness uttered:
>
> >> > "Physicists are thus proposing the construction of a 19-mile-long linear
> >> > accelerator to explore the properties of the Higgs.
>
> A logic reaction:
>
> >> i have a better suggestion
> >> how you can find your mother in law there !!!
> >> and by that saving more money
> >> than now ....
>
> >> ATB
> >> Y.Porat
>
> >I have an even better suggestion.  Try to put together a somewhat
> >coherent post that people can understand.
>
> This is all bullshit.
> After the 19 mile they will want a 38 mile,
> then a round one, then a linear one again, longer...
> This has been going on ever since the kids started with throwing marbles.
> All that ever came from it is tissue paper full of SciFi as seed for Hollywood.
>
> And still no clue what gravity is, and no Higgs found, no fusion power,
> no cheap energy but using more then a small city.
> So that fake tissue paper science is what needs to be made coherent,
> best way is to scrap all those projects ITER, LIGO, CERN, all of them.
> Give them 100$ and a deadline of 1 month to come up with something useful to humanity.
> What was the mother of invention?

You seem to be disgusted with any fundamental research that doesn't
produce a result with a desktop apparatus inside a month. You have the
attention span of a toddler.

Nevermind that fundamental research is done for the sake of knowledge,
NOT for practical application.
From: Y.Porat on 27 Jul 2010 12:59
On Jul 27, 5:04 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/27/10 8:59 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
> > After the 19 mile they will want a 38 mile,
> > then a round one, then a linear one again, longer...
>
>    And when the 19 mile produces new understanding and hints
>    and even more insight into the structure of nature with a
>    38 mile linear accelerator, we should and will build it.
>
>    Henry Ford mass produced cars that got people around just
>    fine... why build faster more expensive cars like we do
>    today.

-------------------
Henry Ford
ddint waist 20 billions on his experiments
BECAUSE IT WAS FROM HIS PERSONAL POCKET!!
amd he was a [practicalperson
not an idiot mathematician
that ar elooking for some masless entities
Ford new that basics like

NO MASS (THEONLY ONE-
NO REAL PHYSICS !!
that is th ebase of the name
sometimes if you are cleaver and exprienced enough
you can catch the bull in his hornes
right at the beginning
2
even now
i have some suggetions for thenew
linear acceleration

which id BTW
much more cleaver than the circular one
even just as a better beginning

ATB
Y.Porat
-----------------------
From: eric gisse on 27 Jul 2010 18:09
Jan Panteltje wrote:

> On a sunny day (Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:44:58 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Igor
> <thoovler(a)excite.com> wrote in
> <01336883-0b6c-4939-aa19-39e31726bdaa(a)q2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>:
>
> Predictable madness uttered:
>>> > "Physicists are thus proposing the construction of a 19-mile-long
>>> > linear accelerator to explore the properties of the Higgs.
>
> A logic reaction:
>>> i have a better suggestion
>>> how you can find your mother in law there !!!
>>> and by that saving more money
>>> than now ....
>>>
>>> ATB
>>> Y.Porat
>>
>>
>>I have an even better suggestion. Try to put together a somewhat
>>coherent post that people can understand.
>
> This is all bullshit.
> After the 19 mile they will want a 38 mile,
> then a round one, then a linear one again, longer...
> This has been going on ever since the kids started with throwing marbles.
> All that ever came from it is tissue paper full of SciFi as seed for
> Hollywood.

That, and proton beam therapy for cancer patients.

And the world wide web.

Plus other stuff which I imagine you find equally inconsequential.

>
> And still no clue what gravity is, and no Higgs found, no fusion power,
> no cheap energy but using more then a small city.

And which of those problems can the LHC solve? Hint: Only one of those.

> So that fake tissue paper science is what needs to be made coherent,
> best way is to scrap all those projects ITER, LIGO, CERN, all of them.
> Give them 100$ and a deadline of 1 month to come up with something useful
> to humanity. What was the mother of invention?

Thankfully nobody listens to you, and your idiotic opinions will be ignored
as they should be.

You should run for senate on the platform of 'no more science'. You might
even get some votes in the southern states, and from the tea partiers.

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