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From: Harry Lavo on 19 Feb 2007 11:00

"Ty Ford" <tyreeford(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:03:01 -0500, Tim Scott wrote
> (in article <53rpnnF1sv8vuU1(a)mid.individual.net>):
>
>>
>> "Geoff" <geoff(a)nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:SLqdnaSNSc9WNEXYnZ2dnUVZ_s-rnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> Tim Scott wrote:
>>>> Visting engineer with band few nights ago. Brought with him some of
>>>> his own mics. They were mini capsules built into a Neutrik male XLR.
>>>> They sounded really nice - he was using them as drum overheads (only
>>>> other mic on the kit was a Beta 52 on kick.) I can see so many uses
>>>> for a mic this small. I asked him about them, and he told me they
>>>> are home-made by some guy in America, that makes them for fun. What
>>>> really amazed me however was the price. Apparently, the guy making
>>>> them isn't really interested in profits. They are priced at 19USD
>>>> each. The guy I met the other night, said he got a mathed pair
>>>> delivered to the UK for 30UKP. Also, looking at the website he
>>>> offers a 7 day trial on purchases where you can return them for any
>>>> reason if you aren't happy for a refund.
>>>> Also on the website is a DI box built into an XLR/jack adapter
>>>> chassis, for similar pricing, and some other little mics, and stuff
>>>>
>>>> Anyone one else here heard of these mics, used them?
>>>> They are definately going on my shopping list!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.naiant.com/studiostore/msh1series.html
>>>
>>> Panasonic capsule in a XLR body. Innovative idea, but ultimately only
>>> as
>>> good as the capsule.
>>
>> Well, they sounded good, and are not a lot of money - a winner in my
>> opinion.
>
>
> Compared to What?

Well, in my case, compared to the sound of the 9' Steinway I recorded in a
great-sounding room that I am extremely familiar with. Tried a few
different spacings..one or two of them caught the piano and room extremely
accurately, as monitored and later listened to over Koss Pro4aa headphones.
The recording was done 96/24 via a Presonus Firebox preamp directly into a
Shuttle DAW using Cubase LE. I didn't attempt to test noise floor as a
distance mic. Actually was/am leaving that for a later test of a 4.0
recording pattern.

So..no comparison to more expensive mics. But a good enough "capture" that
I am perfectly happy to take ownership.


From: Tim Scott on 19 Feb 2007 13:20

"Ty Ford" <tyreeford(a)comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:03:01 -0500, Tim Scott wrote
> (in article <53rpnnF1sv8vuU1(a)mid.individual.net>):
>
>>
>> "Geoff" <geoff(a)nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:SLqdnaSNSc9WNEXYnZ2dnUVZ_s-rnZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> Tim Scott wrote:
>>>> Visting engineer with band few nights ago. Brought with him some of
>>>> his own mics. They were mini capsules built into a Neutrik male XLR.
>>>> They sounded really nice - he was using them as drum overheads (only
>>>> other mic on the kit was a Beta 52 on kick.) I can see so many uses
>>>> for a mic this small. I asked him about them, and he told me they
>>>> are home-made by some guy in America, that makes them for fun. What
>>>> really amazed me however was the price. Apparently, the guy making
>>>> them isn't really interested in profits. They are priced at 19USD
>>>> each. The guy I met the other night, said he got a mathed pair
>>>> delivered to the UK for 30UKP. Also, looking at the website he
>>>> offers a 7 day trial on purchases where you can return them for any
>>>> reason if you aren't happy for a refund.
>>>> Also on the website is a DI box built into an XLR/jack adapter
>>>> chassis, for similar pricing, and some other little mics, and stuff
>>>>
>>>> Anyone one else here heard of these mics, used them?
>>>> They are definately going on my shopping list!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.naiant.com/studiostore/msh1series.html
>>>
>>> Panasonic capsule in a XLR body. Innovative idea, but ultimately only
>>> as
>>> good as the capsule.
>>
>> Well, they sounded good, and are not a lot of money - a winner in my
>> opinion.
>
>
> Compared to What?

I admit to not A/Bing them, as the engineer with the band was busy doing his
soundchecks etc. Once mine arrive, I will be A/Bing them against our house
stock.
But I know how good the room is acoustically, and how good the system is -
they are both very good, and these mics certainly didn't sound to be letting
the side down.


From: Geoff on 19 Feb 2007 14:58
Rv! wrote:
>
> The end result was a drumkit and guitar cabinet got mic'ed for a
> total cost of �20/$35. While very far from perfect, nobody complained
> about the sound, everybody on stage and FOH was happy. More importantly I
> got paid a good sum for
> assistance. :) A good side effect of using these "crappy" mics is that the
> whole PA
> was much less visible, and took less time to set up. All in a
> successful evening.


Glad they worked for you, but I would be a bit worried about max SPL and
overload in use with guitar amp, or drums.


geoff


From: Earl Grey on 19 Feb 2007 16:54
Geoff wrote:
> Rv! wrote:
>> The end result was a drumkit and guitar cabinet got mic'ed for a
>> total cost of �20/$35. While very far from perfect, nobody complained
>> about the sound, everybody on stage and FOH was happy. More importantly I
>> got paid a good sum for
>> assistance. :) A good side effect of using these "crappy" mics is that the
>> whole PA
>> was much less visible, and took less time to set up. All in a
>> successful evening.
>
>
> Glad they worked for you, but I would be a bit worried about max SPL and
> overload in use with guitar amp, or drums.
>
>
> geoff
>
>
The headroom limitation with the cheap electrets is the internal FET.
The Shure SM91 and 98 which are the same capsule technology get used on
drums a lot, and they have a max of 155dB, so using an external fet mod
on a Panasonic WM61 would probably help.
The Niant max spl spec is quite a bit lower so I'd be interested to hear
of some experiences of close micing with them.
From: Bob Urz on 19 Feb 2007 23:12


Geoff wrote:
> Rv! wrote:
>
>>The end result was a drumkit and guitar cabinet got mic'ed for a
>>total cost of �20/$35. While very far from perfect, nobody complained
>>about the sound, everybody on stage and FOH was happy. More importantly I
>>got paid a good sum for
>>assistance. :) A good side effect of using these "crappy" mics is that the
>>whole PA
>>was much less visible, and took less time to set up. All in a
>>successful evening.
>
>
>
> Glad they worked for you, but I would be a bit worried about max SPL and
> overload in use with guitar amp, or drums.
>
>
> geoff
>
>

Besides, there omni carts.
I do have a early SM91 with a dead cart that i might play with when i
get time.

Bob

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