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From: Anonymous on 19 Jul 2010 11:32 In article <33db1847-821e-4370-b330-1a032bc73d83(a)k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, Alistair <alistair(a)ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On Jul 16, 1:49?pm, docdw...(a)panix.com () wrote: >> In article ><62c55b5c-d6dc-4089-b1fa-6ae4b3b74...(a)k39g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, >> >> Alistair ?<alist...(a)ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> >No, I didn't. And as Ghosts (and life after death, generally) >> >contravene the laws of thermodynamics, I can have no truck with them. >> >> Against your religion, I see... but if the laws of thermodynamics were >> strictly held to, in all spacetimes and at all timespaces, wouldn't life >> as we know it - a violation (temporary, but a violation nonetheless) of >> bits and pieces of Thermodynamic law - never have occurred? > >I'm dreading seeing the explanation as to how life is a violation of >the laws of thermodynamics but I have to ask....how so? What follows, Mr Maclean, might not be 'the explanation' but more of 'an explanation'. Life, by definition, is an organising of particles; consider embryogenesis from haploid gametes to diploid zygote to morula to blastocyst (two primary cell cell types) and so on, through the Carnegie stages. Each change is towards greater order, greater differentiation and growth, quite the opposite of entropy (a tendency towards disorder). DD
From: Howard Brazee on 19 Jul 2010 11:47 On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), Alistair <alistair(a)ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> Against your religion, I see... but if the laws of thermodynamics were >> strictly held to, in all spacetimes and at all timespaces, wouldn't life >> as we know it - a violation (temporary, but a violation nonetheless) of >> bits and pieces of Thermodynamic law - never have occurred? >> >> DD > >I'm dreading seeing the explanation as to how life is a violation of >the laws of thermodynamics but I have to ask....how so? There are some Creationists who use the law of thermodynamics to show that things cannot become more ordered without a deity making them so. It couldn't be that our good doctor is playing with us here, could it? -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Anonymous on 19 Jul 2010 12:24 In article <7ps8469d7el4b8mjrokgjeslrrnebtbgtp(a)4ax.com>, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:12:07 -0700 (PDT), Alistair ><alistair(a)ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >>> Against your religion, I see... but if the laws of thermodynamics were >>> strictly held to, in all spacetimes and at all timespaces, wouldn't life >>> as we know it - a violation (temporary, but a violation nonetheless) of >>> bits and pieces of Thermodynamic law - never have occurred? >> >>I'm dreading seeing the explanation as to how life is a violation of >>the laws of thermodynamics but I have to ask....how so? > >There are some Creationists who use the law of thermodynamics to show >that things cannot become more ordered without a deity making them so. > >It couldn't be that our good doctor is playing with us here, could it? No doctor, good or otherwise, I... jes' ol' Doc and I am full of play and joyfulnesses! I believe this deity-to-get-the-ball-rolling was addressed by Pierre-Simon Laplace's 'Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothesis' (or something like that, as dimly recalled from Kollidj Daze) DD
From: Howard Brazee on 19 Jul 2010 12:48 On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:24:49 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: >>It couldn't be that our good doctor is playing with us here, could it? > >No doctor, good or otherwise, I... jes' ol' Doc and I am full of play and >joyfulnesses! I believe this deity-to-get-the-ball-rolling was addressed >by Pierre-Simon Laplace's 'Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothesis' (or >something like that, as dimly recalled from Kollidj Daze) Maybe you're a doctor the same way the protagonist of Dr. Who is. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison
From: Anonymous on 19 Jul 2010 13:24
In article <rd09465s2i337t38ur6n479ordjc0ovi8u(a)4ax.com>, Howard Brazee <howard(a)brazee.net> wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:24:49 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf(a)panix.com () wrote: > >>>It couldn't be that our good doctor is playing with us here, could it? >> >>No doctor, good or otherwise, I... jes' ol' Doc and I am full of play and >>joyfulnesses! I believe this deity-to-get-the-ball-rolling was addressed >>by Pierre-Simon Laplace's 'Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothesis' (or >>something like that, as dimly recalled from Kollidj Daze) > >Maybe you're a doctor the same way the protagonist of Dr. Who is. I had to research that one... but no, I have never been proclaimed thus by a crew of scriptwriters. DD |