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From: Sam Wormley on 3 Jun 2005 09:50 Known xyzt coordinates of GPS satellites. Known xyzt coordinates of GPS Receiver. One can figure (measure) the one way speed of light 24/7.
From: kenseto on 3 Jun 2005 11:01 "Sam Wormley" <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote in message news:reZne.9383$x96.8840(a)attbi_s72... > > > Known xyzt coordinates of GPS satellites. > Known xyzt coordinates of GPS Receiver. > One can figure (measure) the one way speed of light 24/7. That's the reason I call you a runt of the SRians. In order to know the xyzt coordinates you need to use an assumed one-way speed of light. Ken Seto
From: Sam Wormley on 3 Jun 2005 11:16 kenseto wrote: > "Sam Wormley" <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote in message > news:reZne.9383$x96.8840(a)attbi_s72... > >> >> Known xyzt coordinates of GPS satellites. >> Known xyzt coordinates of GPS Receiver. >> One can figure (measure) the one way speed of light 24/7. > > > That's the reason I call you a runt of the SRians. In order to know the xyzt > coordinates you need to use an assumed one-way speed of light. > > Ken Seto > > Wrong again Seto--Satellite xyzt coordinates are determined from ephemeris data and Receiver xyzt coordinates can be had from previous survey data.
From: kenseto on 3 Jun 2005 11:23 "Sam Wormley" <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote in message news:%u_ne.9801$_o.6035(a)attbi_s71... > kenseto wrote: > > "Sam Wormley" <swormley1(a)mchsi.com> wrote in message > > news:reZne.9383$x96.8840(a)attbi_s72... > > > >> > >> Known xyzt coordinates of GPS satellites. > >> Known xyzt coordinates of GPS Receiver. > >> One can figure (measure) the one way speed of light 24/7. > > > > > > That's the reason I call you a runt of the SRians. In order to know the xyzt > > coordinates you need to use an assumed one-way speed of light. > > > > Ken Seto > > > > > > Wrong again Seto--Satellite xyzt coordinates are determined > from ephemeris data and Receiver xyzt coordinates can be > had from previous survey data. Idiot.
From: rotchm@gmail.com on 3 Jun 2005 13:38
>That's not important. Both clocks will remain synchronized wrt each other >according to all theories. Ok, so we still agree on that, but...I am starting to wonder what is your defenition or conception of "synchronize". Which procedure you are using etc... >>It still implicitly has the twls effect. >No...no twls measurement involved. Here we disagree. I still maintain that if you say that both clocks travel at the same speed (measured or conveyed), then that procedure implicitly has the twls effects. >You can imagine anything that fits your assertion. But both SR and ether >theories says that such a pair of clocks will remain synchronized. So we still agree...( and again, I would like to know what YOU mean by synchronized, and what procedure to verify that clocks are in synch) Anyhow, the experiment you proposed to measure owls is, according to me, still a twls experiment. And the reason that it is still a twls experiment is because of the clause "both clocks travel at the same speed". In the experiment, say that 2L is the distance betwenn both clocks after they have stopped. Then a signal is sent from one clock at its time Ta. The other clock will receive that signal at its time Tb. The ratio of 2L/(Tb-Ta) will give 299792458. That is what both SR and ether theories predict. Since both theories predict the same result for that experiment, then how can you say wich is correct? -- If you want to be sure, then always doubt. }:-) |