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From: Joe788 on 31 Jan 2010 21:56 http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0128/Obama-s-high-speed-rail-plan-Which-states-get-the-money "California the biggest winner California will get $2.34 billion, the largest award, to help set up a high-speed line between San Diego and Sacramento by 2026. Top speeds on the line, which would go through Los Angeles and the San Francisco Bay Area, would hit 220 miles per hour. State officials say they need high-speed rail to lessen the load on the state's roads and airports California expects its population to grow by 13.5 million during the next 20 years. That would mean an added 90 million to 115 million interregional or intercity trips. Without high-speed trains, those travelers would require 2,970 more miles of freeway lanes, five new runways, and 90 new airport gates for a cost of $82 billion, some estimates suggest. Its the boldest move Ive seen since Eisenhower proposed the interstate highway system, Mehdi Morshed, executive director of the California High Speed Rail Authority told the Monitor in a recent interview."
From: larryrozer on 31 Jan 2010 22:29 On Jan 31, 1:35 pm, Joe788 <larryro...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/gallery.aspx > > What Arnold had to say back in 08: > > "We have to move forward with this project." > > "Our rail system in America is so old we are driving the same speed as > we did a hundred years ago". > > "We should do what other countries do. All over the world we see high > speed rails that go 200 to 300 mph. We should do the same thing in > this country." That was back in 08, times have changed. Take a look at the map you linked to, how much money do you think it will take to build all of those high speed routes? The federal funds are but a in the bucket for these projects. For California's proposed high speed rail system alone they are estimating it will cost $42.6 BILLION to build. If history repeats, cost overruns will make it 2 to 10 times higher States are already bleeding red ink. Who's going to pick up the bill when history repeats itself and these projects bleed red ink each year as well?
From: Michael A. Terrell on 31 Jan 2010 22:48 larryrozer wrote: > > On Jan 31, 1:35 pm, Joe788 <larryro...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/gallery.aspx > > > > What Arnold had to say back in 08: > > > > "We have to move forward with this project." > > > > "Our rail system in America is so old we are driving the same speed as > > we did a hundred years ago". > > > > "We should do what other countries do. All over the world we see high > > speed rails that go 200 to 300 mph. We should do the same thing in > > this country." > > That was back in 08, times have changed. > > Take a look at the map you linked to, how much money do you think it > will take to build all of those high speed routes? > > The federal funds are but a in the bucket for these projects. > > For California's proposed high speed rail system alone they are > estimating it will cost $42.6 BILLION to build. If history repeats, > cost overruns will make it 2 to 10 times higher > > States are already bleeding red ink. Who's going to pick up the bill > when history repeats itself and these projects bleed red ink each year > as well? The US isn't crammed into tiny spaces like those european countries where rail makes more sense. -- Greed is the root of all eBay.
From: CalifBill on 31 Jan 2010 23:55 "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:4B664EF8.84FC794A(a)earthlink.net... > > larryrozer wrote: >> >> On Jan 31, 1:35 pm, Joe788 <larryro...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> > http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/gallery.aspx >> > >> > What Arnold had to say back in 08: >> > >> > "We have to move forward with this project." >> > >> > "Our rail system in America is so old we are driving the same speed as >> > we did a hundred years ago". >> > >> > "We should do what other countries do. All over the world we see high >> > speed rails that go 200 to 300 mph. We should do the same thing in >> > this country." >> >> That was back in 08, times have changed. >> >> Take a look at the map you linked to, how much money do you think it >> will take to build all of those high speed routes? >> >> The federal funds are but a in the bucket for these projects. >> >> For California's proposed high speed rail system alone they are >> estimating it will cost $42.6 BILLION to build. If history repeats, >> cost overruns will make it 2 to 10 times higher >> >> States are already bleeding red ink. Who's going to pick up the bill >> when history repeats itself and these projects bleed red ink each year >> as well? > > > The US isn't crammed into tiny spaces like those european countries > where rail makes more sense. > > > -- > Greed is the root of all eBay. Plus they said it was shovel ready. Was stupid when the voters passed the proposition and there is not even an semi coherent idea on where to run the rails today.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 1 Feb 2010 00:50 CalifBill wrote: > > "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:4B664EF8.84FC794A(a)earthlink.net... > > > > larryrozer wrote: > >> > >> On Jan 31, 1:35 pm, Joe788 <larryro...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/gallery.aspx > >> > > >> > What Arnold had to say back in 08: > >> > > >> > "We have to move forward with this project." > >> > > >> > "Our rail system in America is so old we are driving the same speed as > >> > we did a hundred years ago". > >> > > >> > "We should do what other countries do. All over the world we see high > >> > speed rails that go 200 to 300 mph. We should do the same thing in > >> > this country." > >> > >> That was back in 08, times have changed. > >> > >> Take a look at the map you linked to, how much money do you think it > >> will take to build all of those high speed routes? > >> > >> The federal funds are but a in the bucket for these projects. > >> > >> For California's proposed high speed rail system alone they are > >> estimating it will cost $42.6 BILLION to build. If history repeats, > >> cost overruns will make it 2 to 10 times higher > >> > >> States are already bleeding red ink. Who's going to pick up the bill > >> when history repeats itself and these projects bleed red ink each year > >> as well? > > > > > > The US isn't crammed into tiny spaces like those european countries > > where rail makes more sense. > > > > > > -- > > Greed is the root of all eBay. > > Plus they said it was shovel ready. Was stupid when the voters passed the > proposition and there is not even an semi coherent idea on where to run the > rails today. It's another bunch of useless pork. -- Greed is the root of all eBay.
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