Open Office is better than Bean
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From: Fred Moore on 24 Mar 2010 12:24 In article <4ba8f51b$0$8554$ba624c82(a)nntp06.dk.telia.net>, Erik Richard S�rensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: > Fred Moore wrote: > > Suzie-Q <sme617x(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> http://www.openoffice.org/ > >> > >> I haven't really been paying attention, but I saw a thread > >> that said Bean is better than Text Edit. Which is true. > >> > >> But Open Office is better than Bean, and it's by Sun. > > > > If you like OOo, I suggest NeoOffice. It _is_ OOo, but more Mac-ified in > > some very useful ways. > > The newer OpenOffice 3.2 *is* Mac. It's fully native OS X - no more X11 > and it's far much faster and more friednly than NeoOffice. First, OOo is an excellent app. As mentioned it IS the basis of NeoO. That said, I found OOo less stable on my installations than NeoO and less Mac-friendly. Here is a list of the extra Mac features of NeoO compared to OOo and M$ Orifice (scroll down to 'Mac OS X Integration'): <http://neowiki.neooffice.org/index.php/NeoOffice_Feature_Comparison> Of course, if none of those extra features appeal to you then NeoO is not for you. > Alone the > more than 120 different dictionaries which you can manually download and > not like NeoOffice where you need to add the dicts from within NeoOffice. Sorry, I can't speak to the dictionary issue since the only one I need is US English.
From: Erik Richard Sørensen on 24 Mar 2010 16:02 Fred Moore wrote: > Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote: >> Fred Moore wrote: >>> Suzie-Q <sme617x(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> http://www.openoffice.org/ >>>> >>>> I haven't really been paying attention, but I saw a thread >>>> that said Bean is better than Text Edit. Which is true. >>>> >>>> But Open Office is better than Bean, and it's by Sun. >>> If you like OOo, I suggest NeoOffice. It _is_ OOo, but more Mac-ified in >>> some very useful ways. >> The newer OpenOffice 3.2 *is* Mac. It's fully native OS X - no more X11 >> and it's far much faster and more friednly than NeoOffice. > > First, OOo is an excellent app. As mentioned it IS the basis of NeoO. > That said, I found OOo less stable on my installations than NeoO and > less Mac-friendly. I can't agree with the less stability. I use OpenOffice native OS X on more different machines - a MacPro QuadCore 2,66ghz, a dual 1ghz MDD, a single 1,25ghz MDD and a PowerBook G4/1,67ghz and I have installed it on many different Macs right from a 400mhz Sawtooth and up - all running at least 10.4.11, and I have also installed the 3.0.0rc1 on a 900mhz CPU upgraded G3 with 10.4.11, and I have never seen a crash or a freeze up of any kind or any kind of unstability. It was slow on the G3, but I expected that, since the native OS X version of OOo doesn't officially support G3 processors - but it worked.:-) > Here is a list of the extra Mac features of NeoO > compared to OOo and M$ Orifice (scroll down to 'Mac OS X Integration'): > <http://neowiki.neooffice.org/index.php/NeoOffice_Feature_Comparison> Surely I donot agree with all. Here are a couple of examples. # Native toolbar buttons - yes - yes - no That's not correct, you can inseert and delete buttons as you like in OOo 3.2 # Native floating palettes - yes - yes - no All those floating palettes/toolbars are somewhat a disasterish thing. I and if I recall right - all that I know - prefers either top-docked or side-docked toolbars. You're the first I ever have heard of that likes these... # Native highlighting for selections - yes - yes - no That's not correct. You can set any highlight color both for font and for background in both paragraphs, sections and for userdefined selections as you like to. The button is to the right of the button for changing font color... # Document proxy icon in the titlebar - yes - yes - no For what? - it's useless anyway... # Ability to move or rename open documents - yes - ? - no Strange...I can rename, move or whatever I like. - New name only appears after saving changes to the document. # Quick Look support - yes - yes - no Strange, there are no problems searching on content in both closed and open OOo documents - neither in 10.4.x or 10.5.x # Support for magnify and swipe gestures on multi-touch trackpads - yes - no - no I don't use trackpads, so I can't verify or disverify this, but I can verify that I can use my MS MultiMedia 3000 keyboard for magnifying inside a document # Image Capture support, for inserting images from scanners and digital cameras - yes - ? - no ?? - Maybe, maybe not, but I can verify that I can open and captujre images from within OOo 3.2 using Olympus Master 2.2.x, Canon Image Browser or HP Image Browser # Support for Mac OS X Services - yes* - yes? - no Sometimes the NeoO people should have a look before uttering anything like that.:-) In my 'Services' menu I have 23 active services item - all with submenus available in an open OOo text document. # Integrated with Finder and major mail clients - yes - yes - Partial Ver. 3.2 is fully integratable with any mailclient including combined apps like SeaMonkey, but you need to define which app yourself. # Usable with accessibility tools such as iListen, Proloquo, ViaVoice, and others - yes - yes - no That's about the worst.:-(! OOo is fully TTS and SR compatible! - Including built-in TTS/SR in OS X + the new upcoming Dragon Natural Speaking for OS X, GhostReader and iVox X! - I here don't know why the NeoO people gies a 'yes' to MSO2008, since none of the apps included are compatible with any TTS/SR on Mac OS X! This is among other one of the reason that I donot use MSO - neither 2004 nor 2008. The old MSOffice X supported both TTS and SR. # Reads from the Thunderbird Address Book as a datasource - yes - ? - no If this should be true I'd wonder very much, since you can fully integrate any Mozilla application with OOo apps/parts. And here I can add a few things that NeoOffice cannot do correctly or only partially... # - Handling of CTL in NeoOffice isnot as good as in OOo This means if you open documents made with NeoOffice Writer containing CTL managed Asian or Semittic fonts in OOo Writer Mac/Linux/Win, StarOffice Mac/Win/Linux or MSWord 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008 or 2010Beta Mac/Win will either make Asian/Semittic fonts garbaged or simply make fonts disappear fully or partially. # - Opening of RTFD files made with the Mac version of MSO NeoOffice cannot show those files correctly. Mostly fonts are either changed, garbled or missing if more than one used font # - Opening multilingual files made with either NisusWriter Pro/Express or OOo Writer will not show up correctly in NeoOffice Writer. Fonts get garbled or changed, Semittic and/or Asian fonts disappear fully or partially even if CTL is enabled in NeoOffice Writer. # - Handling of non-UTF fonts If you use std. TT and/or TTF fonts in fx. NWP/NWE, OOo Writer, any MSWord fonts are replaced with std. font in NeoOffice. Semittic and Asian fonts disappears totally. # - Handling of inlayed audio.- NeoOffice cannot handle any type of inlayed audio such as spoken comments from neither OOo or MSWord or StarOffice. # - Font substitution NeoOffice doesnot respect chosen font substitutions from neither MSWord NWP or OOo Writer. > Of course, if none of those extra features appeal to you then NeoO is > not for you. I've only taken some of those features I mostly use - and as you can see, most of it isn't correct. You seem to forget that the page you refer to is made by NeoOffice themselves and not by a neutral testteam. Until the native OS X versions of OOo was released I mostly used the NeoOffice on my Mac Os X systems and the StarOffice on the Windows side. But now since the versions are by near identically on all platforms I've switched only to use the OpenOffice on both Mac and Windows. Doing so you are always sure that the documents made on the Mac also will open correctly on the Windows and visa-versa. ...And one thing is for sure. - You CANNOT trust in *any* version of MSOffice - Mac or Windows don't matter here, /if/ the docs aren't made on the same platform using same version of MSO. - Not long ago I was called in the middle of the night by a friend, who couldn't open a document made in MSO2004 (Mac), opened, edited and saved in a MSO2003 (Win). He just paniced cause it was an article to a magazine which was to be ready for the publisher next morning. - None of my apps could open it either - NeoOffice, StarOffice, MSO2004, 2008, 2003(Win)... The only one that could open the file was OpenOffice 3.2.0 on my OS X. I could read the text sporadically until a certain point, then the rest was just gharbage, though I know that I had the same fonts that were used both on the OS X and Windows machines. The only app that could rescue the document was here BBEdit, so I picked out the real text and mailed it to him at 4 o'clock in the morning... >> Alone the >> more than 120 different dictionaries which you can manually download and >> not like NeoOffice where you need to add the dicts from within NeoOffice. > > Sorry, I can't speak to the dictionary issue since the only one I need > is US English. Right so, but we are quite many OOo users who use many different languages - not just English. For example I do use apart from Danish, German, English, Norwegian, Swedish, Hebrew, Greek (classic and modern) I also from time to time use Chinese, Japanese, Dutch, Italian, Faroyar and also a bit Spanish and Icelandic... Cheers, Erik Richard -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <mac-manNOSP(a)Mstofanet.dk> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com OpenOffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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