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From: Bill on 9 Apr 2010 06:05
In message <g6cpr59tas7kda3psttd5q4bs73f511mku(a)4ax.com>, Fred
<fred(a)no-email.here.invalid> writes
>On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:25:00 +0100, Whiskers
><catwheezel(a)operamail.com> wrote:
>
>>A debit or credit card is traceable, cash isn't.
>
>Why do they need to trace it, a top up is a top up?


The local drug dealers etc. would prefer that their phones were not
traceable back to them and a PAYG with no paper trail is ideal. Just be
wary of who you call and who calls you. Don't phone it from your own
mobile to test it, then you have already associated it with you.
>
--
Bill
From: rousseau on 9 Apr 2010 11:57
Bill wrote:

> In message <g6cpr59tas7kda3psttd5q4bs73f511mku(a)4ax.com>, Fred
> <fred(a)no-email.here.invalid> writes
>>On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:25:00 +0100, Whiskers
>><catwheezel(a)operamail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>A debit or credit card is traceable, cash isn't.
>>
>>Why do they need to trace it, a top up is a top up?
>
>
> The local drug dealers etc. would prefer that their phones were not
> traceable back to them and a PAYG with no paper trail is ideal. Just be
> wary of who you call and who calls you. Don't phone it from your own
> mobile to test it, then you have already associated it with you.

Doesn't really explain why it's �20 for cash. Not really a deterrent for a
crim. Of course, CPW still ask for a name and address - but they don't have
to be real!

R

From: Mizter T on 9 Apr 2010 12:10

On Apr 7, 12:25 pm, Whiskers <catwhee...(a)operamail.com> wrote:

> On 2010-04-07, Fred <f...(a)no-email.here.invalid> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > Is it to stop you buying a vodafone handset and then putting in an o2
> > sim?
>
> I imagine that's the sort of thing they're concerned about.  That is
> 'fraud' - you're taking the inducement (the cheap or free handset) but
> ignoring your side of the contract, which is paying monthly instalments or
> buying top-ups.  

Nonsense - there is absolutely no fraud whatsoever in doing this. When
one buys a PAYG mobile handset there is no contract (explicit or
implicit) that you must use the SIM packaged with it.

If the networks want to subsidise a handset, then they're free to do
so, and they're also free to lock it to their network as well, however
there is no way they can actually insist that the handset is
subsequently only used on their network (and unlocking a mobile
handset is of course perfectly legal).
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