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From: Craig on 7 Mar 2010 13:16 On 03/07/2010 09:13 AM, Mark Warner wrote: > Shadow wrote: >> Mark Warner wrote: >>> >>> http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/ >>> http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/ .... >>> It's a Beta, folks. Use at your own risk. Report bugs back to the >>> Developers. .... >> I'm stuck with ubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, because it's the >> last version to support SIS 671/672 video drivers.... .... > > Can't say. How do you know that v10.04 won't support your graphics? Once > it's in the kernel, it shouldn't go away... I went through this with the i810 & i810 video chips. IIRC, the driver was still there but Xorg had changed somehow such that when the install ran "Xorg -configure" the xorg.conf ended up still needing to be edited by hand. I guess what I'm saying is that, in my experience, "lost support" turned out to be a configuration issue and others had noted a workaround. hth, -- -Craig
From: Mark Warner on 7 Mar 2010 14:01 Craig wrote: > Mark Warner wrote: >> Shadow wrote: >>> Mark Warner wrote: >>>> >>>> http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/ >>>> http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/ > ... >>>> It's a Beta, folks. Use at your own risk. Report bugs back to the >>>> Developers. > ... >>> I'm stuck with ubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, because it's the >>> last version to support SIS 671/672 video drivers.... > ... >> Can't say. How do you know that v10.04 won't support your graphics? Once >> it's in the kernel, it shouldn't go away... > > I went through this with the i810 & i810 video chips. IIRC, the driver > was still there but Xorg had changed somehow such that when the install > ran "Xorg -configure" the xorg.conf ended up still needing to be edited > by hand. > > I guess what I'm saying is that, in my experience, "lost support" turned > out to be a configuration issue and others had noted a workaround. Okay, that I understand. I have run into difficulties (nothing insurmountable) with distros running the latest and greatest xorg and my old hardware, both on my antique laptop and my elderly-but-still-reasonably-spry desktop. I'm of the opinion that the attempts to make everything automagic ala Windows has in many cases resulted in more problems than what has been gained. When it works, that's great. But when it doesn't, it's even *more* difficult to get some things working than it was before. Fortunately, my distro of choice eschews latest-and-greatest in favor of stability and compatibility, and I've not had any problems of any degree installing and running MEPIS on my kit. That very well may change on down the line -- time marches on, donchya know -- but for now I have no complaints. -- Mark Warner MEPIS Linux Registered Linux User #415318 ....lose .inhibitions when replying
From: »Q« on 7 Mar 2010 18:18 In <news:7vgnm7Fmq2U1(a)mid.individual.net>, Mark Warner <markwarner1954.inhibitions(a)att.net> wrote: > PCLinuxOS-2010.beta1 features 2.6.32.8 kernel utilizing the BFS > scheduler for maximum desktop performance on i686 and up computers. Heh, the scheduler was at the heart of of a years-old article our resident FUDder posted to support his misinformed idea that GNU/Linux isn't a good desktop solution.
From: Shadow on 8 Mar 2010 16:18 On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:01:51 -0500, Mark Warner <markwarner1954.inhibitions(a)att.net> wrote: >Craig wrote: >> Mark Warner wrote: >>> Shadow wrote: >>>> Mark Warner wrote: >>>>> >>>>> http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/ >>>>> http://ftp.sh.cvut.cz/MIRRORS/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/ >> ... >>>>> It's a Beta, folks. Use at your own risk. Report bugs back to the >>>>> Developers. >> ... >>>> I'm stuck with ubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, because it's the >>>> last version to support SIS 671/672 video drivers.... >> ... >>> Can't say. How do you know that v10.04 won't support your graphics? Once >>> it's in the kernel, it shouldn't go away... >> >> I went through this with the i810 & i810 video chips. IIRC, the driver >> was still there but Xorg had changed somehow such that when the install >> ran "Xorg -configure" the xorg.conf ended up still needing to be edited >> by hand. >> >> I guess what I'm saying is that, in my experience, "lost support" turned >> out to be a configuration issue and others had noted a workaround. > >Okay, that I understand. I have run into difficulties (nothing >insurmountable) with distros running the latest and greatest xorg and my >old hardware, both on my antique laptop and my >elderly-but-still-reasonably-spry desktop. I'm of the opinion that the >attempts to make everything automagic ala Windows has in many cases >resulted in more problems than what has been gained. When it works, >that's great. But when it doesn't, it's even *more* difficult to get >some things working than it was before. > >Fortunately, my distro of choice eschews latest-and-greatest in favor of >stability and compatibility, and I've not had any problems of any degree >installing and running MEPIS on my kit. That very well may change on >down the line -- time marches on, donchya know -- but for now I have no >complaints. I'm familiar with hand-editing xorg.conf files, (that's when xorg still uses them). The problem with the sismedia driver. It was stolen from a Brazilian distrib (long defunct) called sidux(SIS sold the early code to them), adapted by a hacker to mandrake, reversed and adapted to debian, and from there to ubuntu. SIS refuses to release the source code, no idea why, it's hardly rocket-science, and the old driver is not compatible with the way the new kernel handles some calls. So it stops at kernel 2.6.31 Bl^&%&^%dy SIS Tens of thousands of these laptops are sold around the world. My guarantee is void if I INSTALL ANY SOFTWARE on the laptop. Should have read before buying. []'s lspci -vv 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 10) Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems Device 5055 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx- Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx- Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 16 BIST result: 00 Region 0: Memory at c0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] Region 1: Memory at d4000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] Region 2: I/O ports at 9000 [size=128] Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-) Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- Capabilities: [50] AGP version 3.0 Status: RQ=256 Iso- ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA+ ITACoh- GART64- HTrans- 64bit- FW- AGP3+ Rate=x4,x8 Command: RQ=32 ArqSz=2 Cal=0 SBA+ AGP+ GART64- 64bit- FW- Rate=x4 (And before that Bear Button guy starts saying "I told you so" it has severe video problems with windows seven, which also voids the warranty) i.e NEVER BUY SIS.
From: Craig on 8 Mar 2010 17:24 On 03/08/2010 01:18 PM, Shadow wrote: > I'm familiar with hand-editing xorg.conf files, (that's when > xorg still uses them). The problem with the sismedia driver. It was > stolen from a Brazilian distrib (long defunct) called sidux(SIS sold > the early code to them), adapted by a hacker to mandrake, reversed and > adapted to debian, and from there to ubuntu. SIS refuses to release > the source code, no idea why, it's hardly rocket-science, and the old > driver is not compatible with the way the new kernel handles some > calls. > So it stops at kernel 2.6.31 > Bl^&%&^%dy SIS > Tens of thousands of these laptops are sold around the world. > My guarantee is void if I INSTALL ANY SOFTWARE on the laptop. Should > have read before buying. There's a cautionary tale. Thanks for the heads-up. -- -Craig
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