From: Robert L. Oldershaw on
On Jun 2, 8:34 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
>
> And when Dr. Gager was doing all those electron spin resonance
> experiments at my alma mater since he in your opinion wasn't measuring
> electron spin resonance, what exactly _was_ he measuring?  It's not
> enough to assert "spin doesn't exist", you have to also be able to
> present something else that offers the same experimental results.
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Sigh! I did not say spin does not exist. If I am modeling subatomic
particles as Kerr ultracompacts, I obviously believe that spin/
rotation is real. Elmentary logic, Woofums!

WHAT I DID SAY: The spins of FREE particles have NOT been DIRECTLY
MEASURED. Look it up in the reference I posted already. They have
been assigned on theoretical grounds, based on theoretical
assumptions. Therefore the conventional spin assignments should not
be accepted as absolute truth. Are we clear on that now, pilgrim?

RLO
www.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw
From: J. Clarke on
On 6/2/2010 12:49 PM, Robert L. Oldershaw wrote:
> On Jun 2, 8:34 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> And when Dr. Gager was doing all those electron spin resonance
>> experiments at my alma mater since he in your opinion wasn't measuring
>> electron spin resonance, what exactly _was_ he measuring? It's not
>> enough to assert "spin doesn't exist", you have to also be able to
>> present something else that offers the same experimental results.
> --------------------------------
>
> Sigh! I did not say spin does not exist. If I am modeling subatomic
> particles as Kerr ultracompacts, I obviously believe that spin/
> rotation is real. Elmentary logic, Woofums!
>
> WHAT I DID SAY: The spins of FREE particles have NOT been DIRECTLY
> MEASURED. Look it up in the reference I posted already. They have
> been assigned on theoretical grounds, based on theoretical
> assumptions. Therefore the conventional spin assignments should not
> be accepted as absolute truth. Are we clear on that now, pilgrim?

I note that instead of presenting something else that offers the same
experimental results you choose to hurl insults.
From: eric gisse on
Robert L. Oldershaw wrote:

> On Jun 2, 8:34 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> And when Dr. Gager was doing all those electron spin resonance
>> experiments at my alma mater since he in your opinion wasn't measuring
>> electron spin resonance, what exactly _was_ he measuring? It's not
>> enough to assert "spin doesn't exist", you have to also be able to
>> present something else that offers the same experimental results.
> --------------------------------
>
> Sigh! I did not say spin does not exist. If I am modeling subatomic
> particles as Kerr ultracompacts, I obviously believe that spin/
> rotation is real. Elmentary logic, Woofums!
>
> WHAT I DID SAY: The spins of FREE particles have NOT been DIRECTLY
> MEASURED. Look it up in the reference I posted already. They have
> been assigned on theoretical grounds, based on theoretical
> assumptions. Therefore the conventional spin assignments should not
> be accepted as absolute truth. Are we clear on that now, pilgrim?

....and do you have a reason to believe the spin of a free particle is
different than a bound particle when there is zero evidence for your
assertion other than 'well nobody's measured it that way yet...' ?

>
> RLO
> www.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw

From: Jerry on
On Jun 1, 10:35 pm, "Robert L. Oldershaw" <rlolders...(a)amherst.edu>
wrote:

> That's what happens in real science.  Perhaps you should look into the
> matter, but first take your head out of the dark hole it is stuck in.
> What a poser you are!

Who is the poser?

Compare the theoretical mass spectrum of your formula against actual
particle masses within your formula's (ahem) "range of validity".

http://mysite.verizon.net/cephalobus_alienus/images/Oldershaw.PNG

Jerry
From: Robert L. Oldershaw on
On Jun 2, 11:17 pm, Jerry <Cephalobus_alie...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Compare the theoretical mass spectrum of your formula against actual
> particle masses within your formula's (ahem) "range of validity".
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/cephalobus_alienus/images/Oldershaw.PNG
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Thanks for the cartoon, Woofy.

But since my mass formula can retrodict he masses of all those
particles at the > 99% level, your cartoon has to be incompetently
conceived and/or executed.

Good boy, and keep trying to find the light at the end of that tunnel.
But beware of anal-cerebral inversion.