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From: ~misfit~ on 6 Apr 2010 05:56
Somewhere on teh intarwebs dwn wrote:
[snip]
> Now, don't laugh which F key should press to start in safe mode?

F8 just before Windows loads.
--
Shaun.

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day...


From: RnR on 6 Apr 2010 16:46
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 07:44:17 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:hp9vp3$m6d$2(a)news.eternal-september.org,
>Barry Watzman typed on Sun, 04 Apr 2010 08:13:20 -0400:
>> Partition Magic 8 is fine for systems running Windows XP.
>
>I don't think this is so for newer hardware even running Windows XP. As
>the newer hardware (especially controllers) and BIOS does things that
>Partition Magic 8 doesn't expect and I have seen problems. Also drives
>are larger nowadays and are larger than what PM8 was designed to handle.
>So again, I have seen problems here too.
>
>Also PM8 and earlier versions of PM, has lots of problems cloning a
>drive to an USB external drive. As like when taking this drive and using
>it as an internal drive. Say when you buy a new larger drive to replace
>your older and smaller drive in a laptop. Oh it will usually work, but
>once you place the drive and use internally, PM will either disallow
>working with this drive and report the geometry is unknown. Or it will
>work with it and really mess it up pretty badly. Meaning the partition
>tables and/or files and folders will become corrupt.


Bill, you are correct from my experience as well.
From: RnR on 6 Apr 2010 16:52
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 19:18:42 +0300, John Doue <notwobe(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 4/4/2010 3:13 PM, Barry Watzman wrote:
>> Partition Magic 8 is fine for systems running Windows XP.
>>
>>
>
>
>Barry,
>
>Having used PM for a long time with Windows XP, I have to qualify your
>statement.
>
>First and most important,if PM make tell you that your drive has serious
>errors (and sometimes, offers to correct them): NEVER NEVER accept. Try
>the same drive with, say, Acronis Disk Director. If Disk Director works
>all right on your drive, forget the warning from PQ Magic and do not use
>it, use Disk Director.
>
>Second, on fairly large drives IDE (considering PM age), say over 250G
>conservatively, use caution. For instance, do not attempt to create a
>partition at the right of the disk as PM sees it, while leaving a large
>empty space before the partition you want to create. Chances are PM will
>mess the operation. In that case, be wise: create it next the rightmost
>existing one, and then, if desired, move it. You will improve your
>chances of success.
>
>On SATA drives of 500G for example, absolutely refrain from attempting
>the operation I described above. Too risky. Use Disk Director. Other
>than that, try to do the operations you plan one at a time, and always
>have a rescue plan in mind if PM fails. I am not paranoid, but with
>this type of drive, PM is really out of its design envelope.
>
>With this in mind, whenever I can, I still use PM which I find to have
>the best, by find, UI, even if competitors have tried to mimic it.
>
>A word of warning about Paragon: I recently tried a very recent version,
>and IIRC, tried to do a simple copy operation, something PM and Disk
>Director would have easily done. This version I tried totally messed up
>my system. Fortunately, I had a fallback solution and restored my disk
>fairly easily. My advice: older versions (2009 and 8.5) were ok, newer
>... try with care).
>
>-
>John Doue


Not sure about Paragon as I use DD. Never had a problem with it but I
was told it doesn't work on win 7 but I haven't confirmed this... no
need for me as my main OS is still xp.
From: RnR on 6 Apr 2010 16:57
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 08:21:33 -0700, dwn <dwn <dwnns(a)nonet.net>> wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 06:47:17 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50(a)aol.kom> wrote:
>
>......Snip
>
>>First of all, Partition Magic hasn't been updated in many years. And I
>>wouldn't trust it on any system say 8 years or newer. Both Paragon and
>>EASEUS offer free partitioning software which would be much better to
>>use.
>
>OK understand. I have not partition the "C" drive, only attempt to partition.
>>
>>Secondly, when Windows XP reports NTLDR is missing. that isn't actually
>>what that error means per se. As it could be there, but on another
>>partition or something and Windows can't find it. As for Windows XP to
>>start, it requires the following:
>>
>>1) Track 0, sector 0 of the HDD must have a MBR
>>
>>2) On the active primary partition (there can be only one and you can
>>select which one is active with partitioning software, boot managers,
>>FDISK, etc.)
>>
>>3) The active primary partition must have the following files:
>>
>>ntldr
>>NTDETECT.COM
>>Boot.ini
>
>Found NTDETECT.COM and ntldr in C:\windows\servicePackFiles\i386
>cannot find Boot.ini anywhere, and that including my other laptop Dell D600.
>
>>If one of the three files is missing, it often reports that ntldr is
>>missing. And Boot.ini is editable and points to the drive and partition
>>where Windows could be found and booted from. Microsoft OS isn't alone
>>here. As all PC 32-bit OS needs these loaders to load the code to switch
>>the processor from 16-bit mode to 32-bit mode. That is because all
>>standard PC BIOS starts the processor in 16-bit mode for backward
>>compatibility for 16-bit OS like MS-DOS. And btw, MS-DOS could and has
>>been used as a loader as well. Such as it was in Windows 3.1, W9x, and
>>ME.
>>
>>So when you take a functioning XP system and mess around and change the
>>active partition, delete the recovery partition, or boot partition, you
>>end up with boot problems and NTLDR errors. But with the right software
>>tools, this can be easily fixed. So you need those three files on the
>>active primary partition and not just on any primary partition. You
>>could have these files on all primary partitions if you wanted to, then
>>it wouldn't matter which one was set as active. As the results would be
>>the same anyway.
>
>>So that is all to it. The only other tricky part is editing the Boot.ini
>>file to the right drive and partition Windows is installed on. And that
>>isn't really hard at all. And there are software utilities out there
>>that will create Boot.ini from scratch. There is even one on the Windows
>>XP install disc.
>>
>>If you have any other questions, just ask.
>
>The used T30 came with the drive completely wiped clean. I fried the drive
>while testing it. Replaced it with a same capacity, Preinstalled Win XP PRO
>with Recovery sector. I also purchased a set of Recovery CD.
>
>Somewhere along the ways, I deleted the Preloaded Virus protection to MS
>Security Essentials. I must have done something to slow the T30 to a crawling
>speed. I decided, it's time to clean install it to factory condition and add a
>10Gb partition "D" drive after clean installation. I have done countless
>formatting and clean installation Win98SE desktop. A few times on Dell D600 XP
>PRO. T30 is so much different from my past experiences. I don't have the
>Recovery CD with me now and need the drive's Recovery to re-install to factory
>condition.
>
>Now, for a start where can I find the Boot.ini, could the Recovery sector
>corrupted? I will start searching for the software in the web after posting
>this.
>
>Thanks a million.
>
>


Would it be easier to start afresh again rather than to diagnose this
problem?
From: dwn on 7 Apr 2010 11:26
On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 21:56:38 +1200, "~misfit~" <sore_n_happy(a)nospamyahoo.com.au>
wrote:

Thanks, found out later in another NG where I posted. You really need to keep
pressing it F8 and after a few tries. BTW in Safe Mode I cannot do anything to
fix my present problem. I make another mistake, I thought I could get into Dot
Prompt to find and edit the hidden partition. NO! it's not Dot Prompt, it's
"Command Dot Prompt" and very slow.

Hey, I still remember you, you helped me with the wireless stuff, which I put on
hold. I am using wireless modem and it so SLOW (slower than Dialup 56K) as the
only available ISP in this location for the time. Thanks again.

>Somewhere on teh intarwebs dwn wrote:
>[snip]
>> Now, don't laugh which F key should press to start in safe mode?
>
>F8 just before Windows loads.

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