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From: Mark L on 1 Mar 2010 18:40
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:47:55 -0800 (PST), MusoNZ <nzmuso01(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi there
>
>I'm looking for a cost-effective software solution for managing an
>increasing number of photos (around 10,000) in such a way that
>multiple users on our LAN can access the photo database
>simultaneously.
>
>We tried Photoshop Elements and had problems with database corruption
>when more than one person tried to access the database. Photoshop CS4
>is getting out of our price range. Many of the other programs (eg
>Picasa) are single user only.
>
>We need an editing/organising solution, like PSE, but suitable for
>multiple users (say a maximum of 10)simultaneously. We're running
>WinXP on a server2k8 network.
>
>thanks for any help you can offer
>
>Mark.

"Thumbsplus Pro" is probably what you are looking for. Full database
networking. I like the available SQL database syntax in the advanced
options, and image-similarity query capabilities by color & shape metric
too. I've never found anything from adobe that has ever fit my needs.
There's always something far better somewhere else if one really bothers to
look. I've never been a blind-worshipper of any software company. It's how
I've been able to consistently find and use much more capable software all
my life.




From: ray on 1 Mar 2010 20:10
On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:07:54 -0500, nospam wrote:

> In article <7v2v52F3p4U6(a)mid.individual.net>, ray <ray(a)zianet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> > We need an editing/organising solution, like PSE, but suitable for
>> > multiple users (say a maximum of 10)simultaneously. We're running
>> > WinXP on a server2k8 network.
>>
>> Is there a particular reason you need an 'organising solution' rather
>> than simply use a hierarchical directory structure to organize them?
>
> probably so that multiple users can access the latest versions of a
> given image and track any changes. think cvs or subversion, but for
> photos.

Hmmmmm. Half a dozen folks editing the same photo at the same time.
Sounds like a recipe for disaster now matter how you slice it.
From: MusoNZ on 1 Mar 2010 20:26
On Mar 2, 2:10 pm, ray <r...(a)zianet.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:07:54 -0500, nospam wrote:
> > In article <7v2v52F3p...(a)mid.individual.net>, ray <r...(a)zianet.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> > We need an editing/organising solution, like PSE, but suitable for
> >> > multiple users (say a maximum of 10)simultaneously. We're running
> >> > WinXP on a server2k8 network.
>
> >> Is there a particular reason you need an 'organising solution' rather
> >> than simply use a hierarchical directory structure to organize them?
>
> > probably so that multiple users can access the latest versions of a
> > given image and track any changes. think cvs or subversion, but for
> > photos.
>
> Hmmmmm. Half a dozen folks editing the same photo at the same time.
> Sounds like a recipe for disaster now matter how you slice it.

True, but I wasn't intending that (although I'm sure it could happen).

What I was imagining was a tag/label system, like PSE, where anyone
who loaded the database would see the same categories/tags. So the
tagging only needs to be done once (by the person editing/uploading
the image) and then anyone else can find the photo, without knowing
when it was taken or what it was called, just by searching via tags. I
have found tags to be much more flexible than directories for storing
images, particularly when you need to search multiple directories to
find the photo you are looking for.

As far as tracking changes to an image - something like PSE's stacking
would be fine (edited photo visually stacked with original). And we
won't be dealing with raw images - just jpegs. Extensis Portfolio and
Canto Cumulus are out of our price range. I will check out Thumbsplus.

thanks very much

Mark .

From: Chris Malcolm on 1 Mar 2010 22:22
MusoNZ <nzmuso01(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there

> I'm looking for a cost-effective software solution for managing an
> increasing number of photos (around 10,000) in such a way that
> multiple users on our LAN can access the photo database
> simultaneously.

> We tried Photoshop Elements and had problems with database corruption
> when more than one person tried to access the database. Photoshop CS4
> is getting out of our price range. Many of the other programs (eg
> Picasa) are single user only.

> We need an editing/organising solution, like PSE, but suitable for
> multiple users (say a maximum of 10)simultaneously. We're running
> WinXP on a server2k8 network.

> thanks for any help you can offer

I don't understand why you're looking for a solution in a photo editor
or manager. This is a very general problem of file access and
modification by multiple users, and was solved many decades ago by
operating systems and filing systems. Clearly whatever operating
system or file managing system your computers are running isn't up to
this kind of work. Ask your systems admins what needs to be done or
bought etc.. Once an appropriate OS or file manager is installed, or
the existing one configured properly, any programs like PSE will
simply find file access locked out when they try to do something which
would cause problems.

Trying to solve a basic system deficiency by making application
programs is the wrong way to go, much less general, and in the end
more costly.

--
Chris Malcolm
From: MusoNZ on 2 Mar 2010 18:19
On Mar 2, 4:22 pm, Chris Malcolm <c...(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> MusoNZ <nzmus...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi there
> > I'm looking for a cost-effective software solution for managing an
> > increasing number of photos (around 10,000) in such a way that
> > multiple users on our LAN can access the photo database
> > simultaneously.
> > We tried Photoshop Elements and had problems with database corruption
> > when more than one person tried to access the database. Photoshop CS4
> > is getting out of our price range. Many of the other programs (eg
> > Picasa) are single user only.
> > We need an editing/organising solution, like PSE, but suitable for
> > multiple users (say a maximum of 10)simultaneously. We're running
> > WinXP on a server2k8 network.
> > thanks for any help you can offer
>
> I don't understand why you're looking for a solution in a photo editor
> or manager. This is a very general problem of file access and
> modification by multiple users, and was solved many decades ago by
> operating systems and filing systems. Clearly whatever operating
> system or file managing system your computers are running isn't up to
> this kind of work. Ask your systems admins what needs to be done or
> bought etc.. Once an appropriate OS or file manager is installed, or
> the existing one configured properly, any programs like PSE will
> simply find file access locked out when they try to do something which
> would cause problems.
>
> Trying to solve a basic system deficiency by making application
> programs is the wrong way to go, much less general, and in the end
> more costly.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm

Hi there

We are are not trying access the *photos* simultaneously, just the
organising software's database. We're running Win XP SP2 and PSE 5,
when two people try to load the same catalog (from a network share),
we get all kinds of errors. Does anyone know if a later version of PSE
is more network friendly?

The main issue as I see it is the categorising and tagging of photos,
and having this same information available to all network users (since
there's little point in each person having their own filing system for
10k photos). The only other alternative is a well managed folder
hierarchy, but as I mentioned in an earlier post, searching across
multiple folders can be very prolonged without some other search
criteria (eg tags!)

Thanks

Mark.
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