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From: JosephKK on 11 Nov 2009 17:45 On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:37:16 -0800, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:44:42 -0800, >"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:50:14 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:32:35 -0800, >>>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:48:55 -0800, John Larkin >>>><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>> <snip> >>>>House cut? How is it extracted and who gets it and how? Inquiring >>>>minds want to know. 1 and 2. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>John >>>>> >>> >>>Brokerage and asset management fees. >> >>Brokerage fees are mostly gone now, and on average the various asset >>manage management fees are way excessive (largely hangovers from the >>early 1900s when it took considerable resources). >> >>>And the more subtle extraction of >>>value from the system by can't-lose automated trading, inside deals, >>>VC parasitism, and management cut-outs. >> >>All of these occur, however not all VC are parasites, though an >>unmanageable high proportion are. >> >>>In Las Vegas at least you get >>>free drinks. >>> >>>Whining minds are answered. >> >>Since when is asking a question whining? >> 3 > > >You forgot to add "Inquiring minds want to know", so you have to go >back 3 steps and start over. > >John And you still owe answers to three questions. Enumerated above. Or are going to try to pull another fast one?
From: JosephKK on 11 Nov 2009 17:51 On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:36:10 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:15:08 -0800, John Larkin ><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:24:44 -0800, >>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0800, John Larkin >>><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:26:49 -0800, >>>>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:34:00 -0800, John Larkin >>>>><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:39:02 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jobs? The current health care bill penalizes employers who don't >>>>>>>>>>> provide government-approved health care. So, when you make it a >>>>>>>>>>> greater and greater pain to employ people, the easy, obvious, and only >>>>>>>>>>> solution is to outsource, to export jobs, to hire fewer workers. So >>>>>>>>>>> of course there'll be fewer jobs. I, personally, will create fewer >>>>>>>>>>> jobs. I guarantee it. >>>>>>>>>> I'll probably hold the line at about 20 employees and do more >>>>>>>>>> outsourcing and contracting. ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When they go through with the net receipts tax thing in CA where >>>>>>>>> salaries are supposedly non-deductible the others will do exactly the >>>>>>>>> same. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are idiots claiming that a 5% net receipts tax is no more >>>>>>>> burdensome than a 10% tax on profits. 5 is smaller than 10, don't you >>>>>>>> see? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sad :-( >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Just imagine what that would do to the restaurant business alone. As it >>>>>>>is right now I am not sure that our Japanese and Thai places around here >>>>>>>will make it. That source tax would potentially push a lot of those over >>>>>>>the cliff. >>>>>> >>>>>>For a restaurant, it's just sales tax; they charge about 8% around >>>>>>here already. All restaurants pay it, and people don't order meals >>>>>>from Oregon, so it's not a competitive issue as much as it just makes >>>>>>people dine out a little less. >>>>> >>>>>A few percent is the difference between making it and failing in the >>>>>restaurant biz. >>>>>> >>>>>>I suppose some people on the Nevada border cross the line to eat, or >>>>>>order pizza from over the line. >>>>> >>>>>That is trivial and you know it. >>>>>> >>>>>>But for companies that sell stuff, and have out-of-state competition, >>>>>>a gross receipts tax could really hurt. It's a job killer. We pay >>>>>>about 10% tax on a profit of 5%. A 5% gross receipts tax would be a >>>>>>10x increase. >>>>> >>>>>So you do kinda sorta get it. >>>>>> >>>>>>I do like the idea of taxing services as well as stuff, since more and >>>>>>more of our economy is services, and the competition for services is >>>>>>mostly local. Just adding the existing sales tax to services would >>>>>>help the state deficit problem a lot. >>>>> >>>>>You are really far left whinge aren't you? Or is it only >>>>>jealousy/envy? >>>>>> >>>>>>John >>>>>> >>>> >>>>It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be >>>>outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured >>>>goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree? >>> >>>I can neither agree nor disagree, there was no model presented to >>>support the assertion. Though personally i expect that it is at best >>>a half truth. >>>> >>>>And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair >>>>cutting? >>>> >>>>John >>> >>>I prefer removing exemptions and exclusions for legal practice first, >>>auto repair and hair cutting already charge sales tax, you just did >>>not notice. >> >>When I get my car fixed at the shop near work, they add sales tax on >>parts but none on labor. My hair cutter charges no sales tax on cuts >>but does on products. >> >>I do notice. >> >>John > >Governments should cut expenses, NOT raise taxes. > >Furthermore I would propose that there be no taxes on income earned >overseas ;-) > > ...Jim Thompson Aw, now that you have some you want an exemption? And where were you physically, during that time?
From: Jim Thompson on 11 Nov 2009 18:05 On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:51:02 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:36:10 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:15:08 -0800, John Larkin >><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:24:44 -0800, >>>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:05:48 -0800, John Larkin >>>><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:26:49 -0800, >>>>>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:34:00 -0800, John Larkin >>>>>><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:39:02 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John Larkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs? The current health care bill penalizes employers who don't >>>>>>>>>>>> provide government-approved health care. So, when you make it a >>>>>>>>>>>> greater and greater pain to employ people, the easy, obvious, and only >>>>>>>>>>>> solution is to outsource, to export jobs, to hire fewer workers. So >>>>>>>>>>>> of course there'll be fewer jobs. I, personally, will create fewer >>>>>>>>>>>> jobs. I guarantee it. >>>>>>>>>>> I'll probably hold the line at about 20 employees and do more >>>>>>>>>>> outsourcing and contracting. ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When they go through with the net receipts tax thing in CA where >>>>>>>>>> salaries are supposedly non-deductible the others will do exactly the >>>>>>>>>> same. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are idiots claiming that a 5% net receipts tax is no more >>>>>>>>> burdensome than a 10% tax on profits. 5 is smaller than 10, don't you >>>>>>>>> see? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sad :-( >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Just imagine what that would do to the restaurant business alone. As it >>>>>>>>is right now I am not sure that our Japanese and Thai places around here >>>>>>>>will make it. That source tax would potentially push a lot of those over >>>>>>>>the cliff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>For a restaurant, it's just sales tax; they charge about 8% around >>>>>>>here already. All restaurants pay it, and people don't order meals >>>>>>>from Oregon, so it's not a competitive issue as much as it just makes >>>>>>>people dine out a little less. >>>>>> >>>>>>A few percent is the difference between making it and failing in the >>>>>>restaurant biz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I suppose some people on the Nevada border cross the line to eat, or >>>>>>>order pizza from over the line. >>>>>> >>>>>>That is trivial and you know it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>But for companies that sell stuff, and have out-of-state competition, >>>>>>>a gross receipts tax could really hurt. It's a job killer. We pay >>>>>>>about 10% tax on a profit of 5%. A 5% gross receipts tax would be a >>>>>>>10x increase. >>>>>> >>>>>>So you do kinda sorta get it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I do like the idea of taxing services as well as stuff, since more and >>>>>>>more of our economy is services, and the competition for services is >>>>>>>mostly local. Just adding the existing sales tax to services would >>>>>>>help the state deficit problem a lot. >>>>>> >>>>>>You are really far left whinge aren't you? Or is it only >>>>>>jealousy/envy? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be >>>>>outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured >>>>>goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree? >>>> >>>>I can neither agree nor disagree, there was no model presented to >>>>support the assertion. Though personally i expect that it is at best >>>>a half truth. >>>>> >>>>>And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair >>>>>cutting? >>>>> >>>>>John >>>> >>>>I prefer removing exemptions and exclusions for legal practice first, >>>>auto repair and hair cutting already charge sales tax, you just did >>>>not notice. >>> >>>When I get my car fixed at the shop near work, they add sales tax on >>>parts but none on labor. My hair cutter charges no sales tax on cuts >>>but does on products. >>> >>>I do notice. >>> >>>John >> >>Governments should cut expenses, NOT raise taxes. >> >>Furthermore I would propose that there be no taxes on income earned >>overseas ;-) >> >> ...Jim Thompson > >Aw, now that you have some you want an exemption? And where were you >physically, during that time? I was there in Skype spirit ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Praising the Cuban health system: "Castro & Guevara who kicked out the wealthy. You can think whatever you want to about Fidel Castro but he was one of the brightest leaders I have ever met." - California (where else?) DEMOCRAT Rep. Diane Watson
From: John Larkin on 11 Nov 2009 22:25
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:45:08 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:37:16 -0800, John Larkin ><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:44:42 -0800, >>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:50:14 -0800, John Larkin >>><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:32:35 -0800, >>>>"JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:48:55 -0800, John Larkin >>>>><jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>> > ><snip> > >>>>>House cut? How is it extracted and who gets it and how? Inquiring >>>>>minds want to know. >1 and 2. > >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>John >>>>>> >>>> >>>>Brokerage and asset management fees. >>> >>>Brokerage fees are mostly gone now, and on average the various asset >>>manage management fees are way excessive (largely hangovers from the >>>early 1900s when it took considerable resources). >>> >>>>And the more subtle extraction of >>>>value from the system by can't-lose automated trading, inside deals, >>>>VC parasitism, and management cut-outs. >>> >>>All of these occur, however not all VC are parasites, though an >>>unmanageable high proportion are. >>> >>>>In Las Vegas at least you get >>>>free drinks. >>>> >>>>Whining minds are answered. >>> >>>Since when is asking a question whining? >>> >3 >> >> >>You forgot to add "Inquiring minds want to know", so you have to go >>back 3 steps and start over. >> >>John > >And you still owe answers to three questions. Enumerated above. Or >are going to try to pull another fast one? Pull another fast one? How strange. John |