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From: krw on 5 Nov 2009 18:55 On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:32:25 +0000, ChrisQ <meru(a)devnull.com> wrote: >John Larkin wrote: > >> >> It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be >> outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured >> goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree? >> >> And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair >> cutting? >> >> John >> > >We do in the uk and the rest of europe. It's call vat, or value added >tax and is payable on just about everything at a fixed rate of 17.5%. >Service industries and lawyers included :-). No one likes it, but it >seems to work. The more you consume, the more tax you pay. Some things >are exempt, but not many. Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-) >My guess is that it's only a matter of time before the us does something >similar... No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without the power to tax indiscriminately?
From: ChrisQ on 6 Nov 2009 11:58 krw wrote: > Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-) The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold. The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how it works. > > No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without > the power to tax indiscriminately? I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co, irrespective of which party he hailed from. In the end, it's not the *party*, but what's best for the *country* at any given time. It's always a compromise between what you as an individual think and the rest. It's an insult to the intelligence to suggest that any one party always has all the right answers. In the uk, the labour party have been in power since for ever. They will almost certainly be kicked out in the elections next year, because they are seen as being a spent force, are becoming too arrogant, authoritarian, lacking clue and are completely out of touch with the mood of the nation. Labour are supposed to be the left wing party and much was expected of them to solve some serious social issues, but they failed completely and got us involved in an unwinnable (we can debate that) war, who's ethical justification has never been demonstrated. Add to that all the stasi like stuff they are trying to introduce and it's a classic case of reversion to type. Closet authoritarian and anti libertarian to a man :-)... Regards, Chris
From: John Larkin on 6 Nov 2009 13:36 On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:58:56 +0000, ChrisQ <meru(a)devnull.com> wrote: >krw wrote: > >> Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-) > >The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you >buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of >business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold. >The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I >guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non >essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how >it works. > >> >> No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without >> the power to tax indiscriminately? > >I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including >myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co, >irrespective of which party he hailed from. Why? John
From: Jim Thompson on 6 Nov 2009 13:41 On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:36:41 -0800, John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:58:56 +0000, ChrisQ <meru(a)devnull.com> wrote: > >>krw wrote: >> >>> Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-) >> >>The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you >>buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of >>business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold. >>The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I >>guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non >>essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how >>it works. >> >>> >>> No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without >>> the power to tax indiscriminately? >> >>I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including >>myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co, >>irrespective of which party he hailed from. > >Why? > >John > > The rest of the world, particularly Europeons, can't cope with feeling inferior and in need of protection. They needn't worry anymore, they're soon to be converts to Islam ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | When the Islamic Muslims take over Europe I will be amongst the first to join the call: "It's not our war, it's just a civil war."
From: ChrisQ on 6 Nov 2009 16:34
John Larkin wrote: > > Why? > > John > 9/11 was probably the worst terrorist act that the us, or for that matter any other country has experienced, but I think it was done to provoke the lion. The lion was provoked and we got a kneejerk reaction when a more reasoned response may have saved 100's of thousands of lives worldwide. Bush didn't have the balls and / or the experience to hold the line against the shrill cry for war. Instead, we got the politics of fear and appeal to man's most base instincts to justify invading a country that was nothing to do with it and was no real threat to anyone, as all the inspectors found when they got there. This is no religious stuff either, but about the values that all people of all nations hold in common. I don't really want to get into all this, as it's not the forum, but could have wept for the us after 9/11 and the years that followed. The physical damage can be mended, but the damage to individual families and the psyche of the nation could take decades to repair, if ever... Regards, Chris |