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From: Thomas Tornblom on 30 Nov 2009 05:20 Dave <foo(a)coo.com> writes: > Canuck57 wrote: >> Dave wrote: > >>> I bought the other 10 GB from Crucial, and the enterprise grade >>> disks elsewhere, for a hell of a lot less than Sun wanted for them. >> I will give Sun this, their memory prices are better than IBM or HP, >> but then their sales are in the tank for UNIX iron. >> But still, the pricing on Sparc hurts. But at least Sun's stuff >> works with COTs parts. I too have put memory and disk from COT >> suppliers. You are at waranty risk but saving $20,000 on a base >> $20,000 machine is often the benifit. It is that or some sucky >> MS-Windows boxen from hell. > > Does anything beat what HP wanted for RAM to upgrade my HP 1320nw > Postscript printer? Back in 2006, then wanted �680 to add 128 MB, > which was far more than I'd paid for printer. It worked out at �5440 > per GB or $9646 / GB (based on exchange rate in 2006). I ended up pay > �29.99 for 128 BM, which made HP RAM more than 22x the cost of Crucial. > I just added 128M to the 96M I had in my old HP Color Laserjet 4500 and paid a whopping $21, plus $5.50 for international shipping :-) Thomas
From: Andrew Gabriel on 30 Nov 2009 08:14 In article <JsBQm.7467$Lq5.284(a)newsfe20.iad>, Canuck57 <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> writes: > Agreed. But one hold back for Solaris on x86 is the lack of SATA > ICHR7/8/9/10 drivers in modes other than IDE emulation, which many BIOS > no longer supports the IDE downgrade part. Solaris has driven these natively for some time with ahci(7D). They're used in a number of Sun systems, and probably half the newer systems OpenSolaris is routinely installed on. > I have 3 perfectly good common mobo based systems at home, none will run > Solaris nor OpenSolaris outside a VM. And the chipsets are amongst the > most common in the desktop quad processor arena there is. Sounds like you have poor motherboards and/or ancient BIOS. Probably worth trying a BIOS update, if the board manufacturer makes them available (sadly some cheaper ones don't after they stop manufacturing the board, and you're stuck forever more with whatever bugs the BIOS has at that point). If you said what motherboard models you're using, someone else might say if they have them working OK. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
From: Richard L. Hamilton on 30 Nov 2009 08:46 In article <4b129c58(a)212.67.96.135>, Dave <foo(a)coo.com> writes: > There are basically 4 current Solaris operating systems? > > * Solaris 10 on SPARC processors > * Solaris 10 on x86 processors > * OpenSolaris on SPARC processors > * OpenSolaris on x86 processors. > > how do they compare in popularity? > > I assume it fairly safe to assume that OpenSolaris on SPARC is less popular than > OpenSolaris on x86, but I'm less sure how the others rank. > > I guess Solaris 10 is more popular on SPARC than x86, but maybe that is not true. OpenSolaris (the distro) is a new development on SPARC, and support for older graphics hardware is poor-to-nonexistent, so you have to figure that combination would presently be quite rare, esp. on desktops.
From: Richard L. Hamilton on 30 Nov 2009 08:55 In article <4b12d419(a)212.67.96.135>, Dave <foo(a)coo.com> writes: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> Dave wrote: >>> There are basically 4 current Solaris operating systems? >>> >>> * Solaris 10 on SPARC processors >>> * Solaris 10 on x86 processors >>> * OpenSolaris on SPARC processors >>> * OpenSolaris on x86 processors. >>> >>> how do they compare in popularity? >>> >>> I assume it fairly safe to assume that OpenSolaris on SPARC is less >>> popular than OpenSolaris on x86, but I'm less sure how the others rank. >>> >>> I guess Solaris 10 is more popular on SPARC than x86, but maybe that >>> is not true. >>> >>> >> >> I think popularity is not terribly important. It does matter, big time, >> that the O/S runs on your hardware and supports most peripherals. It >> matters that the system can get your work done in a reasonable amount of >> time. Whether "reasonable" means seconds, minutes, or hours depends on >> both your needs and your budget. >> >> It also matters that the O/S is reasonably free of bugs and security >> vulnerabilities. > > My issue is one of developing open-source software (Sage), to run on hardware > others have. Some will use it as hobbyists, others as departmental servers, > supporting 100's of students. > > My first priority was SPARC on Solaris 10, as that is what I run, and that is > what the T5240 donated by Sun runs. Next will be OpenSolaris on x86, simply as I > have an Ultra 27 myself. > > Believe it or not, I'm doing a bit on HP-UX in parallel, mainly as different > operating systems often show bugs which another platform does not. I'm sure its > fastest to develop software on linux, and only worry about it building on Linux. > I'm also pretty convinced you gain in quality by addressing portability issues, > and testing on multiple platforms. Well...long ago, a lot of development was done on Suns. Porting from them to something else was usually pretty easy. Then Linux came along, with the attitude problem that since it's all open source, everybody else should be too, and then it would all just work. So rather than reading standards (XPG, POSIX, SUS, etc), a lot of folks doing application development on Linux assume that Linux _is_ a standard rather than just an OS implementation, and don't give a hoot about portability. That sort of thing, whether by attitude or carelessness, is greatly mitigated by actually porting the code to something else. Nevertheless, if sufficient care is taken to use standards-defined interfaces as much as possible and isolate any code that needs anything more, one can end up in the same place (arguably with cleaner code, too), even prior to porting to additional platforms. But systemic understanding and discipline aren't as popular as they used to be (if they ever were...). :-/
From: solx on 30 Nov 2009 11:30
On 29/11/2009 16:07, Dave wrote: > There are basically 4 current Solaris operating systems? > > * Solaris 10 on SPARC processors > * Solaris 10 on x86 processors > * OpenSolaris on SPARC processors > * OpenSolaris on x86 processors. > > how do they compare in popularity? > > I assume it fairly safe to assume that OpenSolaris on SPARC is less > popular than OpenSolaris on x86, but I'm less sure how the others rank. > > I guess Solaris 10 is more popular on SPARC than x86, but maybe that is > not true. > > Hi, Having worked for a software house, Sun has done themselves no favours by dropping SPARC workstations. The Sun workstations are all AMD or Intel based, while servers are SPARC, AMD or Intel. I worked with developers who wanted SPARC workstations but were given AMD64/x86 based workstations running Windows. Hopefully with Solaris 11 Sun will release a SPARC workstation, other wise I would expect to see Solaris/OpenSolaris to run primarily on AMD/Intel hardware. The SPARC chip appears to be going the way of the old Motorola 68000 series chips Sun used to use before introducing the SPARC, the SPARC will give way to the AMD/Intel chips. They tried it in the late 1980's with the old 80386 but the AMD/Intel chips are considerably more powerful now. |