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From: Arne Vajhøj on 5 Jun 2010 15:24
On 05-06-2010 14:17, Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Arne Vajh?j wrote:
>
>> On 05-06-2010 12:12, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, thanat0s wrote:
>>>> To be clear, i'm a brand new newbies in java programming, i just try
>>>> to follow android coding tutorials. and i got already a problem !
>>>>
>>>> I follow this tuto :
>>>> http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html
>>>>
>>>> And everything run fine, but since i try to use the XML layout
>>>> problems begins. I can't run the application, i c'ant event edit
>>>> graphicaly the layout\main.xml i got
>>>>
>>>> It seem i miss a library but how, where ? hope someone could help me.
>>>
>>> Try an android developer forum. This group mostly deals with programming
>>> on 'real' computers.
>>
>> Java on a 1 GHz CPU with 512 MB RAM was a real computer just a few
>> years ago.
>>
>>> That said, this problem looks like something is trying to use
>>> unix-specific AWT operations; are you using a unix platform? Why would
>>> there be AWT going on inside Eclipse, which uses SWT? This looks like a
>>> configuration problem. Are you using a supported platform for whatever
>>> this editor is?
>>
>> Android is a Linux kernel.
>
> The APIs and deployment model are different. Your observations are
> interesting but irrelevant.

I don't know if it is relevant or not.

But note that both the topics:
- whether Android phone is real computer
- whether Android is a Unix platform
was raised by you.

Arne
From: Tom Anderson on 6 Jun 2010 08:19
On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Arne Vajh?j wrote:

> On 05-06-2010 14:17, Tom Anderson wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Arne Vajh?j wrote:
>>
>>> On 05-06-2010 12:12, Tom Anderson wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, thanat0s wrote:
>>>>> To be clear, i'm a brand new newbies in java programming, i just try
>>>>> to follow android coding tutorials. and i got already a problem !
>>>>>
>>>>> I follow this tuto :
>>>>> http://developer.android.com/guide/tutorials/hello-world.html
>>>>>
>>>>> And everything run fine, but since i try to use the XML layout
>>>>> problems begins. I can't run the application, i c'ant event edit
>>>>> graphicaly the layout\main.xml i got
>>>>>
>>>>> It seem i miss a library but how, where ? hope someone could help me.
>>>>
>>>> Try an android developer forum. This group mostly deals with programming
>>>> on 'real' computers.
>>>
>>> Java on a 1 GHz CPU with 512 MB RAM was a real computer just a few
>>> years ago.
>>>
>>>> That said, this problem looks like something is trying to use
>>>> unix-specific AWT operations; are you using a unix platform? Why
>>>> would there be AWT going on inside Eclipse, which uses SWT? This
>>>> looks like a configuration problem. Are you using a supported
>>>> platform for whatever this editor is?
>>>
>>> Android is a Linux kernel.
>>
>> The APIs and deployment model are different. Your observations are
>> interesting but irrelevant.
>
> I don't know if it is relevant or not.
>
> But note that both the topics:
> - whether Android phone is real computer
> - whether Android is a Unix platform
> was raised by you.

True. But the scare quotes around 'real' indicate that i'm not using it
for its literal meaning, and so not suggesting that Android machines are
not actually computers, and from a GUI point of view, which is what was
under discussion, Android is *not* a unix platform. Or do you reckon
there's an X server in there somewhere?

tom

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From: Lew on 6 Jun 2010 09:34
Tom Anderson wrote:
> True. But the scare quotes around 'real' indicate that i'm not using it
> for its literal meaning, and so not suggesting that Android machines are
> not actually computers, and from a GUI point of view, which is what was
> under discussion, Android is *not* a unix platform. Or do you reckon
> there's an X server in there somewhere?

If you meant "X" you should have said "X" and not "UNIX".

X Windows and UNIX (or UNIX-like) are orthogonal. Or do you reckon that when
I run X on MS Windows that the latter turns into UNIX?

--
Lew
From: Tom Anderson on 6 Jun 2010 13:03
On Sun, 6 Jun 2010, Lew wrote:

> Tom Anderson wrote:
>
>> True. But the scare quotes around 'real' indicate that i'm not using it
>> for its literal meaning, and so not suggesting that Android machines
>> are not actually computers, and from a GUI point of view, which is what
>> was under discussion, Android is *not* a unix platform. Or do you
>> reckon there's an X server in there somewhere?
>
> If you meant "X" you should have said "X" and not "UNIX".

No. I don't believe that would have been as helpful to the OP (if my
comment was helpful at all), who seems to have a problem related to some
bit of code running the wrong platform's AWT toolkit - if he hadn't
realised that himself, simply saying 'X' wouldn't have helped.

> X Windows and UNIX (or UNIX-like) are orthogonal.

No. X is the unix window system.

> Or do you reckon that when I run X on MS Windows that the latter turns
> into UNIX?

No. But you are running a port of a unix technology to Windows. You can
run bash on on Windows - does that mean bash is not a unix program?

tom

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From: Lew on 6 Jun 2010 13:35
Lew wrote:
>> Or do you reckon that when I run X on MS Windows that the latter turns
>> into UNIX?

Tom Anderson wrote:
> No. But you are running a port of a unix technology to Windows. You can
> run bash on on Windows - does that mean bash is not a unix program?

Yes, that is exactly what it means. "bash" is a program. Whether it's a UNIX
program or MS Windows program or a VMS program depends entirely on the OS on
which it's running.

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Lew
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