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From: ECLiPSE 2002 on 16 Jun 2010 08:51



123Jim,

Like Kraut, I have tried the suggestions outlined here without success
- in my case it is KB 979909 and 979906 that fail to install as
identified in my initial post.

Your comment about removing the .net files in Add/Remove is my last
hope. I find Microsoft.net Frameworks 1.1, 2.0,3.0 and 3.5 each has
one or more KBs or Hotfixes,etc.

Questions:
Should all the .nets and their associated KBs and hot fixes, etc be
removed as suggested to Kraut? If yes, will I get a popup telling me
to install these one or more of these .nets if a windows program
requires it in the future?

Thanks for all your patience and input,

Mary






On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:14:26 +0100, "123Jim"
<jnkjnjnini(a)uhnuhnunuhnuy.invalid> wrote:

>
>"kraut" <kraut3852(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:2r6g165fhp35u9sjj8br0bbi3c4tm86jk7(a)4ax.com...
>>
>>>>>>>Any error messages? does windows update indicate a failed update?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did you try stopping many processes in task manager before visiting
>>>>>>>windows
>>>>>>>update?
>>>>>>>If you did not, then once again, clear up the downloaded updates using
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>'fixit' before trying again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No error messages of anykind. Update site always shows the updates
>>>>>> kb979909 and kb982168 as suceeding but they are always there the next
>>>>>> time when I go back and in the Windows add / remove programs the
>>>>>> update never show up (Yes I have the box checked to show updates) and
>>>>>> they show as being DLed but not installed at the update site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing running in background other then what XP needs is the
>>>>>> Windows firewall and AVG Free antivirus which I stopped before the
>>>>>> last couple update attempts. I am one of these person that rather not
>>>>>> have a bunch of stuff running. I would rather run it manually and
>>>>>> know what is going on.
>>>>>
>>>>>Something else to try is removing .NET in add-remove programs, reinstall
>>>>>it
>>>>>from Microsoft, and then try windows update again.
>>>>>
>>>>>take note of the .NET versions you are removing so that you can
>>>>>re-install
>>>>>them from here:
>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/results.aspx?freetext=.net&displaylang=en&stype=s_basic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did the taskmanager and stopped anything that was not MS then ran
>>>> msconfig and under services unchecked all non MS and restarted system
>>>> in what it said was "Selective" mode and did the windows update AGAIN.
>>>> It showed all suceeded. Restarted system with normal startup.
>>>>
>>>> Went to add / remove programs with updates showing and it showed one
>>>> of the updates there (KB979909) but not the other (KB982168).
>>>>
>>>> Went back to Windows updates and it showed both KB979909 & KB982168 as
>>>> being DLed but needing to be installed even though add / remove
>>>> programs showed KB979909 as being installed.
>>>>
>>>> I GIVE UP!!! I am pulling what little hair I have out!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>>Did you try removing .NET in Add Remove programs? there's probably
>>>framework 2, 3 maybe 3.5, remove them all .. You need not reinstall them
>>>until you need them . You probably have a program or two that needs them.
>>>..
>>>eventually .. the risk is that those programs might just behave broken,
>>>and
>>>may not be programmed to warn of missing .NET frameworks.. but as long as
>>>you keep that in mind . you don't need them till you need them.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I tryed everythin else with no success so I guess I might as well try
>> that.
>>
>> If I remove them all will windows update pick it up and re-install
>> them??
>>
>> Do not want to screw the whole system up.
>>
>
>Unfortunately you need to download and re-install the .Net frameworks
>yourself .. as it is unlikely Windows will do that automatically until some
>program needs it .. see the links here:
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976982
>In that webpage there's a link to a .Net Cleanup Utility. The link is
>broken, but it can be found here:
>http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2008/08/28/8904493.aspx
>
>Cleanup Utility looks like something to try ~only if~ removing the .Net
>frameworks in Add/remove programs does not work.
>
>Reboot and then Download and re-install the .NET components (Follow the
>re-install advice (with download links) in the first webpage above.)
>

From: Shenan Stanley on 16 Jun 2010 08:56
> Should all the .nets and their associated KBs and hot fixes, etc be
> removed as suggested to Kraut? If yes, will I get a popup telling me
> to install these one or more of these .nets if a windows program
> requires it in the future?

Yes. Yes.

But you will be reinstalling everyone of them if you do things correctly
anyway - not just uninstalling to uninstall.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


From: kraut on 16 Jun 2010 10:16
>>>>>>>Any error messages? does windows update indicate a failed update?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did you try stopping many processes in task manager before visiting
>>>>>>>windows
>>>>>>>update?
>>>>>>>If you did not, then once again, clear up the downloaded updates using
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>'fixit' before trying again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No error messages of anykind. Update site always shows the updates
>>>>>> kb979909 and kb982168 as suceeding but they are always there the next
>>>>>> time when I go back and in the Windows add / remove programs the
>>>>>> update never show up (Yes I have the box checked to show updates) and
>>>>>> they show as being DLed but not installed at the update site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing running in background other then what XP needs is the
>>>>>> Windows firewall and AVG Free antivirus which I stopped before the
>>>>>> last couple update attempts. I am one of these person that rather not
>>>>>> have a bunch of stuff running. I would rather run it manually and
>>>>>> know what is going on.
>>>>>
>>>>>Something else to try is removing .NET in add-remove programs, reinstall
>>>>>it
>>>>>from Microsoft, and then try windows update again.
>>>>>
>>>>>take note of the .NET versions you are removing so that you can
>>>>>re-install
>>>>>them from here:
>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/results.aspx?freetext=.net&displaylang=en&stype=s_basic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did the taskmanager and stopped anything that was not MS then ran
>>>> msconfig and under services unchecked all non MS and restarted system
>>>> in what it said was "Selective" mode and did the windows update AGAIN.
>>>> It showed all suceeded. Restarted system with normal startup.
>>>>
>>>> Went to add / remove programs with updates showing and it showed one
>>>> of the updates there (KB979909) but not the other (KB982168).
>>>>
>>>> Went back to Windows updates and it showed both KB979909 & KB982168 as
>>>> being DLed but needing to be installed even though add / remove
>>>> programs showed KB979909 as being installed.
>>>>
>>>> I GIVE UP!!! I am pulling what little hair I have out!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>>Did you try removing .NET in Add Remove programs? there's probably
>>>framework 2, 3 maybe 3.5, remove them all .. You need not reinstall them
>>>until you need them . You probably have a program or two that needs them.
>>>..
>>>eventually .. the risk is that those programs might just behave broken,
>>>and
>>>may not be programmed to warn of missing .NET frameworks.. but as long as
>>>you keep that in mind . you don't need them till you need them.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I tryed everythin else with no success so I guess I might as well try
>> that.
>>
>> If I remove them all will windows update pick it up and re-install
>> them??
>>
>> Do not want to screw the whole system up.
>>
>
>Unfortunately you need to download and re-install the .Net frameworks
>yourself .. as it is unlikely Windows will do that automatically until some
>program needs it .. see the links here:
>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976982
>In that webpage there's a link to a .Net Cleanup Utility. The link is
>broken, but it can be found here:
>http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2008/08/28/8904493.aspx
>
>Cleanup Utility looks like something to try ~only if~ removing the .Net
>frameworks in Add/remove programs does not work.
>
>Reboot and then Download and re-install the .NET components (Follow the
>re-install advice (with download links) in the first webpage above.)
>


Just a couple more questions.

Setting here reading all these post I thought "What about rolling
system back to a restore point before I started having all this
trouble". Would that work? Then let update install the updates as if
they were never installed before.

Plus a question I asked that never got answered was where on my system
are the updates stored when DLed before installed? Since Windows
updates says the updates are DLed waiting to be installed I thought
maybe deleted the DLed one in case there is something wrong with them
and re-DLing them again.

Just a couple thoughts. Opinions please.


From: 123Jim on 16 Jun 2010 11:36

"kraut" <kraut3852(a)yahoo.comg> wrote in message
news:pnmh16htuo1j4l9rsfj41v8ev41u0ss7sh(a)4ax.com...
>
>>>>>>>>Any error messages? does windows update indicate a failed update?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Did you try stopping many processes in task manager before visiting
>>>>>>>>windows
>>>>>>>>update?
>>>>>>>>If you did not, then once again, clear up the downloaded updates
>>>>>>>>using
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>'fixit' before trying again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No error messages of anykind. Update site always shows the updates
>>>>>>> kb979909 and kb982168 as suceeding but they are always there the
>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>> time when I go back and in the Windows add / remove programs the
>>>>>>> update never show up (Yes I have the box checked to show updates)
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> they show as being DLed but not installed at the update site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only thing running in background other then what XP needs is the
>>>>>>> Windows firewall and AVG Free antivirus which I stopped before the
>>>>>>> last couple update attempts. I am one of these person that rather
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> have a bunch of stuff running. I would rather run it manually and
>>>>>>> know what is going on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Something else to try is removing .NET in add-remove programs,
>>>>>>reinstall
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>from Microsoft, and then try windows update again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>take note of the .NET versions you are removing so that you can
>>>>>>re-install
>>>>>>them from here:
>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/results.aspx?freetext=.net&displaylang=en&stype=s_basic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I did the taskmanager and stopped anything that was not MS then ran
>>>>> msconfig and under services unchecked all non MS and restarted system
>>>>> in what it said was "Selective" mode and did the windows update AGAIN.
>>>>> It showed all suceeded. Restarted system with normal startup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Went to add / remove programs with updates showing and it showed one
>>>>> of the updates there (KB979909) but not the other (KB982168).
>>>>>
>>>>> Went back to Windows updates and it showed both KB979909 & KB982168 as
>>>>> being DLed but needing to be installed even though add / remove
>>>>> programs showed KB979909 as being installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I GIVE UP!!! I am pulling what little hair I have out!!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Did you try removing .NET in Add Remove programs? there's probably
>>>>framework 2, 3 maybe 3.5, remove them all .. You need not reinstall them
>>>>until you need them . You probably have a program or two that needs
>>>>them.
>>>>..
>>>>eventually .. the risk is that those programs might just behave broken,
>>>>and
>>>>may not be programmed to warn of missing .NET frameworks.. but as long
>>>>as
>>>>you keep that in mind . you don't need them till you need them.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I tryed everythin else with no success so I guess I might as well try
>>> that.
>>>
>>> If I remove them all will windows update pick it up and re-install
>>> them??
>>>
>>> Do not want to screw the whole system up.
>>>
>>
>>Unfortunately you need to download and re-install the .Net frameworks
>>yourself .. as it is unlikely Windows will do that automatically until
>>some
>>program needs it .. see the links here:
>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976982
>>In that webpage there's a link to a .Net Cleanup Utility. The link is
>>broken, but it can be found here:
>>http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/archive/2008/08/28/8904493.aspx
>>
>>Cleanup Utility looks like something to try ~only if~ removing the .Net
>>frameworks in Add/remove programs does not work.
>>
>>Reboot and then Download and re-install the .NET components (Follow the
>>re-install advice (with download links) in the first webpage above.)
>>
>
>
> Just a couple more questions.
>
> Setting here reading all these post I thought "What about rolling
> system back to a restore point before I started having all this
> trouble". Would that work? Then let update install the updates as if
> they were never installed before.

I don't think rolling back the system will work, unless you can roll back to
a time before you installed the .Net frameworks. It is unlikley you a have
restore point that far back.

>
> Plus a question I asked that never got answered was where on my system
> are the updates stored when DLed before installed? Since Windows
> updates says the updates are DLed waiting to be installed I thought
> maybe deleted the DLed one in case there is something wrong with them
> and re-DLing them again.
>
> Just a couple thoughts. Opinions please.
>

Remember what the Fixit does .. it deletes all of the downloads that are not
yet installed ..
If you are curious: C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\
Delete everything in there if you like .. it should do no harm .. (at least
one file can't be deleted as it will be in use)



From: kraut on 16 Jun 2010 11:47
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:36:10 +0100, "123Jim"
<jnkjnjnini(a)uhnuhnunuhnuy.invalid> wrote:

>> Setting here reading all these post I thought "What about rolling
>> system back to a restore point before I started having all this
>> trouble". Would that work? Then let update install the updates as if
>> they were never installed before.
>
>I don't think rolling back the system will work, unless you can roll back to
>a time before you installed the .Net frameworks. It is unlikley you a have
>restore point that far back.
>
>>
>> Plus a question I asked that never got answered was where on my system
>> are the updates stored when DLed before installed? Since Windows
>> updates says the updates are DLed waiting to be installed I thought
>> maybe deleted the DLed one in case there is something wrong with them
>> and re-DLing them again.
>>
>> Just a couple thoughts. Opinions please.
>>
>
>Remember what the Fixit does .. it deletes all of the downloads that are not
>yet installed ..
>If you are curious: C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\
>Delete everything in there if you like .. it should do no harm .. (at least
>one file can't be deleted as it will be in use)
>
>


Thanks for reply. Was just wondering.


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