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From: J. Clarke on 3 Feb 2010 22:11
BURT wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2:53 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
>> BURT wrote:
>>> Proton number aether is the answer tovchemistry. Chemical properties
>>> depend on proton number. Heavy water is still water and an ion is
>>> still the same atom chemistry. Heat aether state changes sd solid
>>> liquid and gass. An atomic explosion changes proton number and
>>> transmutes elements.
>>
>>> An isotope of uranium is still Uranium. Static electricity creates
>>> temporary ions that of course are the same atom.
>>
>> So if proton number controls all chemistry howcum heavy water is
>> toxic?
>
> Dumb. It is radioactive.

That would be news to the physics community.
From: Salmon Egg on 3 Feb 2010 23:24
In article <hkdf0102rld(a)news5.newsguy.com>,
"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote:

> > Deuterated potassium dihydrogen phosphate often designated as
> > KD*P, has some rather remarkable physical properties. Because of the
> > difference in mass between protons and deuterons. Its electrooptical
> > constants are much greater at room temperature than KDP. Their
> > ferroelectric curie temperatures also differ greatly.
>
> And this has what relevance?

I am loathe to answer because I do not want to spoon feed scientific
concepts. A little knowledge of statistical mechanics and
crystallography would fill in some of the gaps.

Because of deuteron's higher mass compared to protons, the vibration
frequencies of deuterated crystals are lower than that of fully
protonated crystals. The vibrational speeds will be lower and the bulk
behavior of the crystal is changed. These vibrations affect the
ferroelectric behavior of the crystals in no small way. In solution, the
speed of the deuterons at a given temperature will be lower than that of
protons or even D3O+ ions. This will affect the kinetics Uncle Al
referred to.

Thus deuterated compounds often have significantly different physical
properties compared to undeuterated ones


Figure out for yourself how physical properties can affect physiology.

Bill

--
An old man would be better off never having been born.
From: BURT on 4 Feb 2010 00:00
On Feb 3, 8:24 pm, Salmon Egg <Salmon...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In article <hkdf0102...(a)news5.newsguy.com>,
>  "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > Deuterated potassium dihydrogen phosphate often designated as
> > > KD*P, has some rather remarkable physical properties. Because of the
> > > difference in mass between protons and deuterons. Its electrooptical
> > > constants are much greater at room temperature than KDP. Their
> > > ferroelectric curie temperatures also differ greatly.
>
> > And this has what relevance?
>
> I am loathe to answer because I do not want to spoon feed scientific
> concepts. A little knowledge of statistical mechanics and
> crystallography would fill in some of the gaps.
>
> Because of deuteron's higher mass compared to protons, the vibration
> frequencies of deuterated crystals are lower than that of fully
> protonated crystals. The vibrational speeds will be lower and the bulk
> behavior of the crystal is changed. These vibrations affect the
> ferroelectric behavior of the crystals in no small way. In solution, the
> speed of the deuterons at a given temperature will be lower than that of
> protons or even D3O+ ions. This will affect the kinetics Uncle Al
> referred to.
>
> Thus deuterated compounds often have significantly different physical
> properties compared to undeuterated ones
>
> Figure out for yourself how physical properties can affect physiology.
>
> Bill
>
> --
> An old man would be better off never having been born.

Heavy water is hot water. The flow of electricity is a quantum
mechanical vibration to the next atom.

Mitch Raemsch
From: J. Clarke on 4 Feb 2010 00:59
Salmon Egg wrote:
> In article <hkdf0102rld(a)news5.newsguy.com>,
> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote:
>
>>> Deuterated potassium dihydrogen phosphate often designated as
>>> KD*P, has some rather remarkable physical properties. Because of the
>>> difference in mass between protons and deuterons. Its electrooptical
>>> constants are much greater at room temperature than KDP. Their
>>> ferroelectric curie temperatures also differ greatly.
>>
>> And this has what relevance?
>
> I am loathe to answer because I do not want to spoon feed scientific
> concepts. A little knowledge of statistical mechanics and
> crystallography would fill in some of the gaps.
>
> Because of deuteron's higher mass compared to protons, the vibration
> frequencies of deuterated crystals are lower than that of fully
> protonated crystals. The vibrational speeds will be lower and the bulk
> behavior of the crystal is changed. These vibrations affect the
> ferroelectric behavior of the crystals in no small way. In solution,
> the speed of the deuterons at a given temperature will be lower than
> that of protons or even D3O+ ions. This will affect the kinetics
> Uncle Al referred to.
>
> Thus deuterated compounds often have significantly different physical
> properties compared to undeuterated ones
>
>
> Figure out for yourself how physical properties can affect physiology.

Look, you're the one going off on some potassium compound. Maybe you should
try some Ritalin.

From: Bill Penrose on 4 Feb 2010 01:48
On Feb 3, 4:46 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...(a)hate.spam.net> wrote:
> Isotope effect on enzyme kinetics.  About a liter will put you down.

The ultimate undetectable murder weapon, assuming no one thinks to
shove some body fluids in the mass spec.

I suppose you can't get Gatorade in deuterated form?

DB
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