Proposed and Past Experiments Detecting Absolute Motion
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From: eric gisse on 31 May 2010 23:51 Surfer wrote: [...] The MMX did not detect absolute motion. You really need to drop that if you have any self respect. > In contrast it has been discovered that non-zero sensitivity can be > achieved if MM experiments are performed with an optical medium in the > light path. Which explains all those observations in solid media, and gasses where temperature control was properly confirmed. Oh wait... [...]
From: PD on 1 Jun 2010 09:49 On May 31, 8:09 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > On May 29, 11:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On May 29, 8:29 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > Proposed and Past Experiments Detecting Absolute Motion: > > > The following link descibes a new doable experiment to detect absolute > > > motion. Also included are new interpretions for the results of past > > > experiments caused by absolute motion: The Photoelectric Experiment > > > and the Double-Slit Experiment.http://www.modelmechanics.org/2008experiment.pdf > > > > Ken Seto > > > The experimental proposal is completely inadequate. > > You are an idiot runt of the SRians. Sorry, Ken, what I've told you is a basic fact. There are certain quality criteria for an experimental proposal, expected of ANYONE. Pouting and sulking that it is expected of you too won't accomplish anything. You're not being persecuted if all that's expected is that you do the same as anyone else.
From: Sam Wormley on 1 Jun 2010 14:18 On 5/31/10 8:55 PM, Hawkman wrote: > Motion is weird because it is impossible to model motion on paper or > on a computer screen. It is only possible to model motion in real > life. Read "Newton's Gift", Berlinksi
From: BURT on 1 Jun 2010 14:59 On Jun 1, 6:49 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 31, 8:09 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > On May 29, 11:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 29, 8:29 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > Proposed and Past Experiments Detecting Absolute Motion: > > > > The following link descibes a new doable experiment to detect absolute > > > > motion. Also included are new interpretions for the results of past > > > > experiments caused by absolute motion: The Photoelectric Experiment > > > > and the Double-Slit Experiment.http://www.modelmechanics.org/2008experiment.pdf > > > > > Ken Seto > > > > The experimental proposal is completely inadequate. > > > You are an idiot runt of the SRians. > > Sorry, Ken, what I've told you is a basic fact. There are certain > quality criteria for an experimental proposal, expected of ANYONE. > Pouting and sulking that it is expected of you too won't accomplish > anything. You're not being persecuted if all that's expected is that > you do the same as anyone else. When speed is created there is detectability of weight. Mitch Raemsch
From: YKhan on 1 Jun 2010 16:00
On May 31, 7:04 pm, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > The MMX failed to detect absolute motion because the speed of light is > isotropic in the same gravitational potential....as i pointed out in > the paper, if the MMX is performed with the plane of the arms oriented > vertically then it will be able to detect fringe shift due to > gravitational red shift. Such modified MMX will be able to confirm > that the speed of light in the vertical direction is not c as asserted > by relativity. Yes, I read that in your paper. It might be a valid argument -- if the Earth were the *only* source of gravity in the entire Universe. But as it turns out, we live in a Universe with many other big, powerful, and local gravity sources, such as the Sun and the Moon. If these two objects are big enough to raise tides on the Earth, then I am sure they can cause "the needles" to go off in an MMX (metaphorical, no real needles are used). When the Sun or the Moon are on the horizon of these various modern MMX apparatus, then their gravity is aligned with the arms of these experiments. During this time, all sorts of shifts should be seen. > My proposed experiments will reveal the length of the path of the > laser traced out on the photographic paper before it settled on the > final spot. The length of this path in combination with the > Pythagorean Theorum will give us the absolute motion of the > photographic paper. > > Ken Seto Uh, you do realize that that's not how the MM experiments work, right? The laser doesn't ever shift its position, like some vibration meter. All they're looking for is a change in the interference patterns between the lights coming from the two arms of the experiment. Yousuf Khan |