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From: Phildo on 26 Sep 2009 10:56 "Arny Krueger" <arnyk(a)hotpop.com> wrote in message news:Q5CdnXtjCObjLCHXnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... There now follows a quick translation from Arnyspeak into English. > I suspect they are very good, mostly because QSC is a good company and > making very good equipment (for the price) is what they do. "I don't actually know anything about the product in question but I thought I'd answer anyway because I like seeing my name come up on the screen." > Externally, the QSC speakers seem to be good system components with > provisions for daisy-chaining and remote controlling gain, that > competitive products from Harmon lacked the last time I looked at them. "I've never heard the product in question and know nothing about it other than what I can see on their website" > I conference with one of the QSC principals elsewhere, and the behavior > and reputation of these people is very fine. "I read the posts by someone who works for QSC on another forum although I have to be careful what I post there because they banned me once already" > From a technical standpoint, the QSC K-series products are essentially > pigs in pokes because of the absence of good acoustical specifications > along the lines of what one can readily obtain for competitive speakers > from say, Electrovoice. "The website didn't have much information on the product". > OTOH, EV doesn't seem to have powered speakers that compete head-to-head > across the line with the QSC K series. OTOH EV has several similar > products with 15" woofers that don't seem to have any competition in the > K-series. "I can use google and find the EV and QSC websites" > As far as our esteemed colleague's rant about the country of origin, the > use of SMT components, and reliance on purpose-built drivers; well that's > how things are near the end of the first decade of the new millennium. I > can't see any point to paying a premium for equipment built in places > where labor costs are maxed out (e.g. most of Europe), leaded components, > and standard drivers that may not be optimum for the application. "I buy Chinese made products because they're cheap" > As far as the pricing goes, methinks that too many people are judging > price based on equipment that used to be dismissed because it was > obviously intended for occasional use and probable early destruction by > substance abusing pseudo technicians, careless teenagers (as opposed to > the other kind), and other people who haven't matured yet. "I'm really bitter that I never got to be a real sound engineer and it shines through in every post I make. I am also a complete fruitcake" > Manufacturers like Behringer have done a lot to advance the quality and > performance levels of such things, but it is still not the same as > well-designed quality equipment sold for well-above minimum prices. "I like to state the obvious and hope people think I actually know what I am talking about when I have no live sound skills whatsoever" Phildo
From: Tom Ginkel on 26 Sep 2009 15:29 Thanks Tim. I was afraid the thread was going to degenerate into another squabble amongst our esteemed friends. "Tim Perry" <timperry(a)donespameroadrunner.com> wrote in message news:h9kdka$n2q$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Tom Ginkel" <tginkel(a)mchsi.com> wrote in message > news:k9Yum.58035$5n1.1389(a)attbi_s21... >>I hate to be a pest, but I am considering spending a LOT of money on the >>highly-touted QSC K-series speakers. I am an elderly guitar player that >>fancies himself still capable of rocking, yet no longer capable of humping >>enormous speakers. >> >> As I Google reviews I see DJs positively slobbering about the things. >> Their claims seem to defy all that I've leaned about sound vs. size over >> my 40 years of musicianing. I have no reference point for live bands. I >> play small bars, yet I want to be obnoxiously loud enough to keep people >> from sitting around and pissing and moaning about their jobs. >> >> I really could use some counsel here before parting with $3K. Am I >> barking up the wrong tree? >> >> Tom >> > > Tom, I have by now fairly extensive experience with the K-subs. they have > performed satisfactorily in both indoor and outdoor settings. They were > used last week at a benefit, outdoors, which featured 6 local country > bands. This was part of a dual PA system where I handled acoustic drums > and monitor mix and the other system handled everything else. > it was pushed pretty hard. My active tops were in overload for the first > time but the subs as far as I could tell never hit limit. > crowd was about 4 to 5 hundred. We raised $11,000 for a lady who was in a > motorcycle accident. > > The week before they saw duty at a street festival. They handled > everything from polka to African drums to salsa. > > I typically put 2 K-subs together and the mid highs on stands. I like the > sound I get with them when my crossover is set for 90 Hz. > > The biggest downside so far is that the handles are poorly designed. If 2 > people try to carry them using the handles it tends to break the back of > your hand. > > I worked a benefit 3 weeks ago with K-10's over K-Subs on poles. outdoor, > classic rock. also used k-10 as monitors. > This system used the dbx Driverack PX. The entire sound system was > transported in a Jeep. > > The K-Subs have the advantage of quicker set up, lighter weight, smaller > size in the trailer, no amp rack. The wheels stay on and do not vibrate. > The locking power connector is a cool feature too. In addition I can > leave a whole bin of speaker cables behind. > > I would suggest getting the JBL covers or some other brand of cover to > protect the finish while moving/transporting. > > So far I have no regrets with them and I am considering getting K-12's > > So if you want to retire the old earthquakes... maybe give these a try. > >
From: Rupert on 26 Sep 2009 18:22 On Sep 26, 12:29 pm, "Tom Ginkel" <tgin...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > Thanks Tim. I was afraid the thread was going to degenerate into another > squabble amongst our esteemed friends. > They day is young ;-)
From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 28 Sep 2009 16:15 "Phil Allison" <phil_a(a)tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:7i3lhbF2uq42aU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Tom Ginkel" >> >>I hate to be a pest, but I am considering spending a LOT of money on the >>highly-touted QSC K-series speakers. I am an elderly guitar player that >>fancies himself still capable of rocking, yet no longer capable of humping >>enormous speakers. >> >> As I Google reviews I see DJs positively slobbering about the things. > > ** Do slobbering DJs normally impress you with their competence in the > world of audio ?? > > >> Their claims seem to defy all that I've leaned about sound vs. size over >> my 40 years of musicianing. > > > ** See above. > >> I have no reference point for live bands. I play small bars, yet I want >> to be obnoxiously loud enough to keep people from sitting around and >> pissing and moaning about their jobs. >> >> I really could use some counsel here before parting with $3K. Am I >> barking up the wrong tree? > > > ** Consider what QSC have done in order to produce these lightweight, high > powered speakers. > > 1. Used switching power supplies and switching amplifiers made in China > employing tiny and unrepairable SMD componentry. > > 2. Used Chinese made speakers with no pedigree and also non repairable. > > 3. Used a minimum size, Chinese made plastic box to enclose the lot. > > 4. Provide a sub woofer to go with the puny main boxes, made exactly the > same unrepairable way, just so you can get a usable amount of bass. > > I have a very similar product to the QSC K series sitting next to me as I > post - a " Wharfedale" Titan 12 Active, about 2 years old. It is an all > Chinese design too, lightweight with switching amps and PSU. > > http://www.wharfedalepro.com/Home/Products/POWEREDLOUDSPEAKERS/TITANACTIVE/TITAN12ACTIVE/tabid/181/Default.aspx > > The 12 inch woofer is burnt to a crisp and the driving amp is dead - > repair is deemed quite uneconomic. > > Before you invest in anything like the K series - you gotta ask yourself > the famous question that Clint Eastwood asked that unfortunate punk he was > pointing his huge gun at. > > > > .... Phil hmmmm 2 years , the QSC would still have another 4 years on it's warrenttee at that point GTeorge > >
From: George's Pro Sound Co. on 28 Sep 2009 16:23
"Tom Ginkel" <tginkel(a)mchsi.com> wrote in message news:k9Yum.58035$5n1.1389(a)attbi_s21... >I hate to be a pest, but I am considering spending a LOT of money on the >highly-touted QSC K-series speakers. I am an elderly guitar player that >fancies himself still capable of rocking, yet no longer capable of humping >enormous speakers. Tom , you would need to spend several times the cost of the k SERIES in order to buy a better powered box and yes as with all plastic boxes, get the cases or they will be cosmeticaly ruined in short order but they sound great and come with 6 years warrentee George |