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From: Kumar on 23 Mar 2010 23:18 On Mar 23, 6:41 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 22, 10:10 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 9:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 21, 10:04 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 21, 11:41 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 20, 8:45 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 7:49 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 11:00 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 1:44 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 11:29 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 6:36 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 5:28 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 9:49 am, Saimhain Moose <samhainmo...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 12:21 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail..com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are activities not dependant on applied forces? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what do you mean by "activities"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something done as an action or a movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > They're not the same. A movement (specifically a change in movement) > > > > > > > > > > > is the *response* to a force. The force is the cause, the acceleration > > > > > > > > > > > is the effect. Motion is not a cause. > > > > > > > > > > > What is the differance between acceleration & motion? > > > > > > > > > > Motion includes any change in position, which can be done at constant > > > > > > > > > velocity (for which the acceleration is zero) or with changing > > > > > > > > > velocity (for which the acceleration is nonzero).- > > > > > > > > > Let us see it with an example. Exiting of an electron by application > > > > > > > > of energy & its decaying back on emitting photons. Are both of these > > > > > > > > are motions & acceleration or just exiting is acceleration but its > > > > > > > > decaying back not? > > > > > > > > When an electron is emitted, the momentum transferred to the electron > > > > > > > is equal and opposite to the momentum transferred to the atom.. > > > > > > > Likewise, when a photon is emitted, the same thing happens. > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that applied energy/momentum to atom which caused > > > > > > excitation of its electrons is equal & opposite to energy released+ > > > > > > energy required for travelling of electrons/photons? > > > > > > Yes, though it may happen in more than one step. > > > > > Btw, Do any energy need any external aid for traveling or it is just > > > > its property? > > > > No, it does not need any external aid for traveling. > > > > Heck, a baseball does not need any external aid for traveling. > > > > You'll notice most satellites have been in orbit for years, and they > > > don't consume any fuel to keep moving. > > > This means that photons don't need external aid for traveling into > > universe spped of light. > > Nothing needs external aid for traveling at a constant speed. Nothing. > Look up Newton's First Law, which was actually discovered by Galileo, > in the 1600's. > > Perhaps you need to catch up a little. > > > > > So calculation will be; Applied energy/ > > momentum to atom which caused excitation of its electrons is equal & > > opposite to energy released ( not energy required for travelling of > > electrons/photons)? > > > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Pls tell me about basis of equal & opposte at basic level.
From: PD on 24 Mar 2010 10:37 On Mar 23, 10:18 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 6:41 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 22, 10:10 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 22, 9:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 21, 10:04 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 21, 11:41 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 8:45 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 7:49 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 11:00 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 1:44 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 11:29 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 6:36 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 5:28 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 9:49 am, Saimhain Moose <samhainmo....(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 12:21 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are activities not dependant on applied forces? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what do you mean by "activities"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something done as an action or a movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're not the same. A movement (specifically a change in movement) > > > > > > > > > > > > is the *response* to a force. The force is the cause, the acceleration > > > > > > > > > > > > is the effect. Motion is not a cause. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the differance between acceleration & motion? > > > > > > > > > > > Motion includes any change in position, which can be done at constant > > > > > > > > > > velocity (for which the acceleration is zero) or with changing > > > > > > > > > > velocity (for which the acceleration is nonzero).- > > > > > > > > > > Let us see it with an example. Exiting of an electron by application > > > > > > > > > of energy & its decaying back on emitting photons. Are both of these > > > > > > > > > are motions & acceleration or just exiting is acceleration but its > > > > > > > > > decaying back not? > > > > > > > > > When an electron is emitted, the momentum transferred to the electron > > > > > > > > is equal and opposite to the momentum transferred to the atom. > > > > > > > > Likewise, when a photon is emitted, the same thing happens. > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that applied energy/momentum to atom which caused > > > > > > > excitation of its electrons is equal & opposite to energy released+ > > > > > > > energy required for travelling of electrons/photons? > > > > > > > Yes, though it may happen in more than one step. > > > > > > Btw, Do any energy need any external aid for traveling or it is just > > > > > its property? > > > > > No, it does not need any external aid for traveling. > > > > > Heck, a baseball does not need any external aid for traveling. > > > > > You'll notice most satellites have been in orbit for years, and they > > > > don't consume any fuel to keep moving. > > > > This means that photons don't need external aid for traveling into > > > universe spped of light. > > > Nothing needs external aid for traveling at a constant speed. Nothing. > > Look up Newton's First Law, which was actually discovered by Galileo, > > in the 1600's. > > > Perhaps you need to catch up a little. > > > > So calculation will be; Applied energy/ > > > momentum to atom which caused excitation of its electrons is equal & > > > opposite to energy released ( not energy required for travelling of > > > electrons/photons)? > > > > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Pls tell me about basis of equal & opposte at basic level. That's too broad a question. Perhaps you need to start with Newton's first law. Please look that up and then ask questions about that, if you do not understand it.
From: Y.Porat on 24 Mar 2010 11:02 On Mar 24, 5:18 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 6:41 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 22, 10:10 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 22, 9:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 21, 10:04 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 21, 11:41 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 8:45 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 7:49 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 11:00 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 1:44 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 11:29 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 6:36 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 5:28 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 9:49 am, Saimhain Moose <samhainmo....(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 12:21 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are activities not dependant on applied forces? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what do you mean by "activities"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something done as an action or a movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're not the same. A movement (specifically a change in movement) > > > > > > > > > > > > is the *response* to a force. The force is the cause, the acceleration > > > > > > > > > > > > is the effect. Motion is not a cause. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the differance between acceleration & motion? > > > > > > > > > > > Motion includes any change in position, which can be done at constant > > > > > > > > > > velocity (for which the acceleration is zero) or with changing > > > > > > > > > > velocity (for which the acceleration is nonzero).- > > > > > > > > > > Let us see it with an example. Exiting of an electron by application > > > > > > > > > of energy & its decaying back on emitting photons. Are both of these > > > > > > > > > are motions & acceleration or just exiting is acceleration but its > > > > > > > > > decaying back not? > > > > > > > > > When an electron is emitted, the momentum transferred to the electron > > > > > > > > is equal and opposite to the momentum transferred to the atom. > > > > > > > > Likewise, when a photon is emitted, the same thing happens. > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that applied energy/momentum to atom which caused > > > > > > > excitation of its electrons is equal & opposite to energy released+ > > > > > > > energy required for travelling of electrons/photons? > > > > > > > Yes, though it may happen in more than one step. > > > > > > Btw, Do any energy need any external aid for traveling or it is just > > > > > its property? > > > > > No, it does not need any external aid for traveling. > > > > > Heck, a baseball does not need any external aid for traveling. > > > > > You'll notice most satellites have been in orbit for years, and they > > > > don't consume any fuel to keep moving. > > > > This means that photons don't need external aid for traveling into > > > universe spped of light. > > > Nothing needs external aid for traveling at a constant speed. Nothing. > > Look up Newton's First Law, which was actually discovered by Galileo, > > in the 1600's. > > > Perhaps you need to catch up a little. > > > > So calculation will be; Applied energy/ > > > momentum to atom which caused excitation of its electrons is equal & > > > opposite to energy released ( not energy required for travelling of > > > electrons/photons)? > > > > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Pls tell me about basis of equal & opposte at basic level. --------------------- i willtell you how i see it: according to my understanding of all forces forces are done by COLLISION OF PARTICLES even the attraction forces (see the Circlon idea) now if we have the conservation law of momentum the momentum that both th e coliding particle on each other is the same and the time dirtion that was on each one of them is the same (it cannot be otherwise ) so if dp dt = dm dv (momentum) then dp for both of them is the same (btw i ddint bother to read all other messages if it was already said i apologize ) ATB Y.Porat --------------------------
From: Kumar on 24 Mar 2010 23:20 On Mar 24, 7:37 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 23, 10:18 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > You'll notice most satellites have been in orbit for years, and they > > > > > don't consume any fuel to keep moving. > > > > > This means that photons don't need external aid for traveling into > > > > universe spped of light. > > > > Nothing needs external aid for traveling at a constant speed. Nothing.. > > > Look up Newton's First Law, which was actually discovered by Galileo, > > > in the 1600's. > > > > Perhaps you need to catch up a little. > > > > > So calculation will be; Applied energy/ > > > > momentum to atom which caused excitation of its electrons is equal & > > > > opposite to energy released ( not energy required for travelling of > > > > electrons/photons)? > > > > Pls tell me about basis of equal & opposte at basic level. > > That's too broad a question. Perhaps you need to start with Newton's > first law. Please look that up and then ask questions about that, if > you do not understand it.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Do you mean that things in action come to their natural/origional position? Newton's laws of motions: First law: "Every body persists in its state of being at rest or of moving uniformly straight forward, except insofar as it is compelled to change its state by force impressed" Second law:A body will accelerate with acceleration proportional to the force and inversely proportional to the mass. Third Law: Every action has a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite in direction." "The term intrinsic denotes a property of some thing or action which is essential and specific to that thing or action, and which is wholly independent of any other object, action or consequence. A characteristic which is not essential or inherent is extrinsic." Whether first law suggest intrinsic and 2nd & 3rd law extrinsic nehaviour?
From: Kumar on 24 Mar 2010 23:23
On Mar 24, 8:02 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 24, 5:18 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 23, 6:41 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Mar 22, 10:10 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 22, 9:17 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 21, 10:04 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 21, 11:41 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 8:45 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 7:49 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 19, 11:00 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 1:44 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 11:29 pm, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 6:36 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 5:28 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 9:49 am, Saimhain Moose <samhainmo....(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 18, 12:21 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are activities not dependant on applied forces? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly what do you mean by "activities"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something done as an action or a movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're not the same. A movement (specifically a change in movement) > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the *response* to a force. The force is the cause, the acceleration > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the effect. Motion is not a cause. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the differance between acceleration & motion? > > > > > > > > > > > > Motion includes any change in position, which can be done at constant > > > > > > > > > > > velocity (for which the acceleration is zero) or with changing > > > > > > > > > > > velocity (for which the acceleration is nonzero).- > > > > > > > > > > > Let us see it with an example. Exiting of an electron by application > > > > > > > > > > of energy & its decaying back on emitting photons. Are both of these > > > > > > > > > > are motions & acceleration or just exiting is acceleration but its > > > > > > > > > > decaying back not? > > > > > > > > > > When an electron is emitted, the momentum transferred to the electron > > > > > > > > > is equal and opposite to the momentum transferred to the atom. > > > > > > > > > Likewise, when a photon is emitted, the same thing happens. > > > > > > > > > Do you mean to say that applied energy/momentum to atom which caused > > > > > > > > excitation of its electrons is equal & opposite to energy released+ > > > > > > > > energy required for travelling of electrons/photons? > > > > > > > > Yes, though it may happen in more than one step. > > > > > > > Btw, Do any energy need any external aid for traveling or it is just > > > > > > its property? > > > > > > No, it does not need any external aid for traveling. > > > > > > Heck, a baseball does not need any external aid for traveling. > > > > > > You'll notice most satellites have been in orbit for years, and they > > > > > don't consume any fuel to keep moving. > > > > > This means that photons don't need external aid for traveling into > > > > universe spped of light. > > > > Nothing needs external aid for traveling at a constant speed. Nothing.. > > > Look up Newton's First Law, which was actually discovered by Galileo, > > > in the 1600's. > > > > Perhaps you need to catch up a little. > > > > > So calculation will be; Applied energy/ > > > > momentum to atom which caused excitation of its electrons is equal & > > > > opposite to energy released ( not energy required for travelling of > > > > electrons/photons)? > > > > > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Pls tell me about basis of equal & opposte at basic level. > > --------------------- > i willtell you how i see it: > according to my understanding of all > forces > forces are done by COLLISION OF PARTICLES > even the attraction forces (see the Circlon idea) > now > if we have the conservation law of momentum > the momentum that both th e coliding particle on each other is the > same > and the time dirtion that was on each one of them > is the same (it cannot be otherwise ) > so > if dp dt = dm dv (momentum) > then dp > for both of them is the same > > (btw > i ddint bother to read all other messages > if it was already said > i apologize ) > ATB > Y.Porat > --------------------------- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sorry & thanks. Above is very deep. In simple language as I posted in last post; Is it due to that things in action due to applied force tend to come back to their natural/origional position? Newton's laws of motions: First law: "Every body persists in its state of being at rest or of moving uniformly straight forward, except insofar as it is compelled to change its state by force impressed" Second law:A body will accelerate with acceleration proportional to the force and inversely proportional to the mass. Third Law: Every action has a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite in direction." "The term intrinsic denotes a property of some thing or action which is essential and specific to that thing or action, and which is wholly independent of any other object, action or consequence. A characteristic which is not essential or inherent is extrinsic." Whether first law suggest intrinsic and 2nd & 3rd law extrinsic nehaviour? |