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From: Kumar on 27 Mar 2010 22:16 On Mar 27, 4:23 pm, ben6993 <ben6...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 27, 9:37 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > <snip for brevity> > > If I believed in the aether, which I don't necessarily, I could think > of the light emitted almost as an earthquake wave after a land slip. > With the slip being equivalent to the readjustment of the electron's > position. As an earth slip occurs at the weakest point, so the point > size electron is the first to give way. Then the wave (the photon) > ripples through the space structure until it is eventually halted. > But I don't know yet enough maths/physics to visualise that without > the aether (or with the aether, either!). > > I used vaguely to think that the moving electron somehow, in itself, > created the emission. Ie the motion of the electron charge being > enough to create the necessary EM disturbance. But that was before I > knew that the emission was instantaneous. But, with or without > 'instantaneousness', there must be something causing the electron to > move and the photon to emit. Just as there must be unseen pressure > causing an earthslip in a particular place at a particular time. > > ----- > > In the coin analogy, I assume that if a shopkeeper doesn't have the > right change in his till then he can't give you two 2ps or four 1ps, > even though he may have 10ps and 5ps. I.e. the quanta are for ever > immutable, even in the cash till, and not merely immutable while > dressed up as photons? > > Also, if energy can be lessened (or increased) by change of frame, and > there is no absolute frame of reference, are the changes in energy as > viewed in different frames also quantised? I.e the difference in > energy from one frame to the next is quantised? > > (It is interesting to find Androcles giving free physics lessons > here. But I do understand there are no free lunches.) Thanks. It may be proper to first know, what causes electron to decay back--either due to leaving photons or due to nucleor energy(protons)? Second question will be, how electrons are compensated after electrons leave an atom after it crosses binding energy of that atom? One more question: How wave formed by electrons differ with wave from photons(being all electrons can be alike)?
From: Kumar on 27 Mar 2010 22:32 On Mar 27, 5:16 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_x> wrote: > "Kumar" <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Thanks. Good example. It also cover corresponding elergy levels. > > However pls tell how atoms keep energy or remain in excitation for > > prolonged time? Is there a tendancy to decay back after excitation & > > come to their natural/lowest level? Regards. > > =============================================== > > Science is the observation, investigation and explanation of natural > > phenomena. Questions in the form of "how...?" or "why...?" based > > on your assumptions may have no answer, especially if your assumption > > is incorrect. How does the Moon stay in orbit around the Earth? Is > > there a tendency for it to fly off into space? Well, yes there is, and > > it stays in orbit because gravity keeps it there. So why doesn't it fall > > to Earth? Because it has a tendency to fly off into space! But we cannot > > say what gravity *is*, we can only say what it does. This is enough to > > enable us to launch artificial satellites into orbit, but not enough to > > say how gravity works. We have to accept that it does. So... what is a > > "prolonged time"? Why should there be a "natural/lowest" level? > > Perhaps the natural level is the highest level! Why should 2 be more > > than 1? How does a chicken lay eggs? Why do you get tears in your > > eyes when you are sad? Why do you laugh? (Think about it, it's a > > very silly thing to do, coughing up puffs of air to express pleasure.) > > Atoms keep energy for a prolonged time because they did NOT change. > > Tendencies are not certainties, they are instead a statistical measure of > > a > > change, there is no guarantee that tossing a coin will come up heads, > > but one expects it to happen for half of the number of trials IF it is > > tossed.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > By natural I mean an inherant sense or right & wrong. Anyway, what > cause electrons to decay back & come to lower level & leave photons? > ================================================== > Science is the observation, investigation and explanation of natural > phenomena. Questions in the form of "how...?" or "why...?" based > on your assumptions may have no answer, especially if your assumption > is incorrect. > Oh wait, I'm repeating...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sorry.From your other post; ------------------ >fo r the similar reason why >your cattle becomes colder with time >Y.P Do you mean atoms/things become colder on reactions? A person abuses other than other slap due to irritation?
From: Y.Porat on 27 Mar 2010 23:00 On Mar 28, 4:16 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mar 27, 4:23 pm, ben6993 <ben6...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 27, 9:37 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > <snip for brevity> > > > If I believed in the aether, which I don't necessarily, I could think > > of the light emitted almost as an earthquake wave after a land slip. > > With the slip being equivalent to the readjustment of the electron's > > position. As an earth slip occurs at the weakest point, so the point > > size electron is the first to give way. Then the wave (the photon) > > ripples through the space structure until it is eventually halted. > > But I don't know yet enough maths/physics to visualise that without > > the aether (or with the aether, either!). > > > I used vaguely to think that the moving electron somehow, in itself, > > created the emission. Ie the motion of the electron charge being > > enough to create the necessary EM disturbance. But that was before I > > knew that the emission was instantaneous. But, with or without > > 'instantaneousness', there must be something causing the electron to > > move and the photon to emit. Just as there must be unseen pressure > > causing an earthslip in a particular place at a particular time. > > > ----- > > > In the coin analogy, I assume that if a shopkeeper doesn't have the > > right change in his till then he can't give you two 2ps or four 1ps, > > even though he may have 10ps and 5ps. I.e. the quanta are for ever > > immutable, even in the cash till, and not merely immutable while > > dressed up as photons? > > > Also, if energy can be lessened (or increased) by change of frame, and > > there is no absolute frame of reference, are the changes in energy as > > viewed in different frames also quantised? I.e the difference in > > energy from one frame to the next is quantised? > > > (It is interesting to find Androcles giving free physics lessons > > here. But I do understand there are no free lunches.) > > Thanks. It may be proper to first know, what causes electron to decay > back--either due to leaving photons or due to nucleor energy(protons)? > Second question will be, how electrons are compensated after electrons > leave an atom after it crosses binding energy of that atom? ------------------ the electrons are 'compensated' by energy not after they left the Atom but Before they did it !!! iow in order of be detached from the Atom the binding energy must be broken and it is broken in inserting some external energy tothe Atom at the point of the electron is connected **had you understood that electrons are not orbiting the nuc you would understand it better !!** see my abstract about the structure of matter and **binding energies** http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract ATB Y.Porat ------------------------------ > One more question: How wave formed by electrons differ with wave from > photons(being all electrons can be alike)?
From: Androcles on 28 Mar 2010 05:17 "Kumar" <lordshiva5753(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:cd7e77a1-aa2a-4d72-af5b-75c5ae7b7117(a)c34g2000pri.googlegroups.com... On Mar 27, 5:16 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_x> wrote: > "Kumar" <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Thanks. Good example. It also cover corresponding elergy levels. > > However pls tell how atoms keep energy or remain in excitation for > > prolonged time? Is there a tendancy to decay back after excitation & > > come to their natural/lowest level? Regards. > > =============================================== > > Science is the observation, investigation and explanation of natural > > phenomena. Questions in the form of "how...?" or "why...?" based > > on your assumptions may have no answer, especially if your assumption > > is incorrect. How does the Moon stay in orbit around the Earth? Is > > there a tendency for it to fly off into space? Well, yes there is, and > > it stays in orbit because gravity keeps it there. So why doesn't it fall > > to Earth? Because it has a tendency to fly off into space! But we cannot > > say what gravity *is*, we can only say what it does. This is enough to > > enable us to launch artificial satellites into orbit, but not enough to > > say how gravity works. We have to accept that it does. So... what is a > > "prolonged time"? Why should there be a "natural/lowest" level? > > Perhaps the natural level is the highest level! Why should 2 be more > > than 1? How does a chicken lay eggs? Why do you get tears in your > > eyes when you are sad? Why do you laugh? (Think about it, it's a > > very silly thing to do, coughing up puffs of air to express pleasure.) > > Atoms keep energy for a prolonged time because they did NOT change. > > Tendencies are not certainties, they are instead a statistical measure > > of > > a > > change, there is no guarantee that tossing a coin will come up heads, > > but one expects it to happen for half of the number of trials IF it is > > tossed.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > By natural I mean an inherant sense or right & wrong. Anyway, what > cause electrons to decay back & come to lower level & leave photons? > ================================================== > Science is the observation, investigation and explanation of natural > phenomena. Questions in the form of "how...?" or "why...?" based > on your assumptions may have no answer, especially if your assumption > is incorrect. > Oh wait, I'm repeating...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sorry.From your other post; ------------------ >fo r the similar reason why >your cattle becomes colder with time >Y.P Do you mean atoms/things become colder on reactions? A person abuses other than other slap due to irritation? ==================================================== No, I mean I'm Androcles, I'm not anyone that wrote about cold cattle. You are confusing me with Mr. Parrot.
From: Kumar on 28 Mar 2010 09:29
On Mar 28, 2:17 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_x> wrote: > "Kumar" <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:cd7e77a1-aa2a-4d72-af5b-75c5ae7b7117(a)c34g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 27, 5:16 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_x> wrote: > > > > > "Kumar" <lordshiva5...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Thanks. Good example. It also cover corresponding elergy levels. > > > However pls tell how atoms keep energy or remain in excitation for > > > prolonged time? Is there a tendancy to decay back after excitation & > > > come to their natural/lowest level? Regards. > > > =============================================== > > > Science is the observation, investigation and explanation of natural > > > phenomena. Questions in the form of "how...?" or "why...?" based > > > on your assumptions may have no answer, especially if your assumption > > > is incorrect. How does the Moon stay in orbit around the Earth? Is > > > there a tendency for it to fly off into space? Well, yes there is, and > > > it stays in orbit because gravity keeps it there. So why doesn't it fall > > > to Earth? Because it has a tendency to fly off into space! But we cannot > > > say what gravity *is*, we can only say what it does. This is enough to > > > enable us to launch artificial satellites into orbit, but not enough to > > > say how gravity works. We have to accept that it does. So... what is a > > > "prolonged time"? Why should there be a "natural/lowest" level? > > > Perhaps the natural level is the highest level! Why should 2 be more > > > than 1? How does a chicken lay eggs? Why do you get tears in your > > > eyes when you are sad? Why do you laugh? (Think about it, it's a > > > very silly thing to do, coughing up puffs of air to express pleasure.) > > > Atoms keep energy for a prolonged time because they did NOT change. > > > Tendencies are not certainties, they are instead a statistical measure > > > of > > > a > > > change, there is no guarantee that tossing a coin will come up heads, > > > but one expects it to happen for half of the number of trials IF it is > > > tossed.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > By natural I mean an inherant sense or right & wrong. Anyway, what > > cause electrons to decay back & come to lower level & leave photons? > > ================================================== > > Science is the observation, investigation and explanation of natural > > phenomena. Questions in the form of "how...?" or "why...?" based > > on your assumptions may have no answer, especially if your assumption > > is incorrect. > > Oh wait, I'm repeating...- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Sorry.From your other post; > > ------------------ > > >fo r the similar reason why > >your cattle becomes colder with time > >Y.P > > Do you mean atoms/things become colder on reactions? A person abuses > other than other slap due to irritation? > ==================================================== > No, I mean I'm Androcles, I'm not anyone that wrote about cold cattle. > You are confusing me with Mr. Parrot.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Yes sorry. |