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From: gearhead on 18 Apr 2010 17:19 On Apr 18, 1:04 pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> However, the salient characteristic of the inner planets is that their > >> gaseous envelopes were removed quite early in the evolution of the solar > >> system, long before there was a stable surface with sand, basins, or > >> deserts. > > >> -- > >> Rich Webb Norfolk, VA > > >Yeah, but it doesn't "jive" with him, man! > > Because it is pure speculation, brought here as if it is fact. > Very little is known about that, and what is known does not confirm this. > > An other stupid simulation perhaps, like the global over heaters, > the ones that block air traffic (do you believe that, > they did not even measure anything, just ran a simulation, > and now bankrupt all airlines, the airlines did some test flights and > found no volcanic ash and no damage... > > Stupid simulations are no good. > We need real data and clear thinking. > That rules out multitudes > > For sure Putin & The Oily Companies would like people to think the stuff is rare. > Yes there is a finite supply, but it is not rare. > Club of Rome, Oil peak, etc etc. all for the money, no science. > Do not eat whale meat, save humanity., > > Not a chance, a species so stupid will<--- go dinosaurs way, > > hehe > LOL > grin > Have fun > > You're a piece of work.
From: Jan Panteltje on 18 Apr 2010 18:04 On a sunny day (Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:19:08 -0700 (PDT)) it happened gearhead <nospam(a)billburg.com> wrote in <0218b559-3110-4b6e-9804-cd3443aa5516(a)r18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>: >On Apr 18, 1:04�pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> However, the salient characteristic of the inner planets is that their >> >> gaseous envelopes were removed quite early in the evolution of the sol= >ar >> >> system, long before there was a stable surface with sand, basins, or >> >> deserts. >> >> >> -- >> >> Rich Webb Norfolk, VA >> >> >Yeah, but it doesn't "jive" with him, man! >> >> Because it is pure speculation, brought here as if it is fact. >> Very little is known about that, and what is known does not confirm this. >> >> An other stupid simulation perhaps, like the global over heaters, >> the ones that block air traffic (do you believe that, >> they did not even measure anything, just ran a simulation, >> and now bankrupt all airlines, the airlines did some test flights and >> found no volcanic ash and no damage... >> >> Stupid simulations are no good. >> We need real data and clear thinking. >> That rules out multitudes >> >> For sure Putin & The Oily Companies would like people to think the stuff = >is rare. >> Yes there is a finite supply, but it is not rare. >> Club of Rome, Oil peak, etc etc. all for the money, no science. >> Do not eat whale meat, save humanity., >> >> Not a chance, a species so stupid will<--- go dinosaurs way, >> >> hehe >> LOL >> grin >> Have fun >> >> > >You're a piece of work. I know :-)
From: Bill Sloman on 18 Apr 2010 19:14 On Apr 18, 7:04 pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> However, the salient characteristic of the inner planets is that their > >> gaseous envelopes were removed quite early in the evolution of the solar > >> system, long before there was a stable surface with sand, basins, or > >> deserts. > > >> -- > >> Rich Webb Norfolk, VA > > >Yeah, but it doesn't "jive" with him, man! > > Because it is pure speculation, brought here as if it is fact. > Very little is known about that, Though rather more than Jan Panteltje seesm to appreciate >and what is known does not confirm this. There is a fair bit of evidence about the differences between the inner and outer planets, and what is known doesn't make your theory about abiogenic oil anything like convincing. > An other stupid simulation perhaps, like the global over heaters, The evidence for anthropogenic global warming certanly does involve simulating heat flow through the atmosphere, but the work is anything but stupid, and your scepticism is - to put it kindly - ill-informed. > the ones that block air traffic (do you believe that, > they did not even measure anything, just ran a simulation, > and now bankrupt all airlines, the airlines did some test flights and > found no volcanic ash and no damage... Jet engines aren't designed to monitor volcanic ash levels. They have stopped working in the past when exposed to sufficiently high levels of volcanic ash - all four engines within one minute in one famous case - and the fact that brief test flight or two didn't run into enough volcanic ash to shut down the engines isn't actually sufficient evidnece to prove that the ban was ill-advised or over-cautious. Ash clouds aren't that easy to detect, but satellite imaging does seem to do an adequate job. http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/wmovl/VRL/Tutorials/GOES39/volcash1.htm http://www.goes-r.gov/downloads/Factsheet-Volcanic%20Ash-11-16-09.pdf I would have thought that LIDAR installations could pick it up, but presumably there aren't enough installations around to provide complete coverage. > Stupid simulations are no good. But the intelligent use of simulation to back up satellite data does seem to be more useful. > We need real data and clear thinking. > That rules out multitudes You included, obviously - you don't seem to have gone to the trouble to find out where the real data about the volcanic ash cloud came from, which makes your thoughts on the subject actively misleading, rather than "clear". > For sure Putin & The Oily Companies would like people to think the stuff is rare. > Yes there is a finite supply, but it is not rare. > Club of Rome, Oil peak, etc etc. all for the money, no science. No science that you are prepared to pay any attention to - which is how you get to lump together the Club of Rome's 1972 report "Limits to Growth" which was rubbish, with today's concerns about peak oil, which aren't. > Do not eat whale meat, save humanity., Whales are killed in an in-humane manner. Stopping whale hunting would seem to be a humane gesture. Whether this will generalise across other in-humane practices - like continuing to inject CO2 into the atmosphere at a rate that will to make the planet a less comfortable place for our kids - is an interesting question. > Not a chance, a species so stupid will<--- go dinosaurs way, If you were a typical example, I wouldn't like our chances. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: a7yvm109gf5d1 on 18 Apr 2010 23:50 On Apr 18, 4:19 pm, gearhead <nos...(a)billburg.com> wrote: > > For sure Putin & The Oily Companies would like people to think the stuff is rare. > > Yes there is a finite supply, but it is not rare. > > Club of Rome, Oil peak, etc etc. all for the money, no science. > > Do not eat whale meat, save humanity., > > > Not a chance, a species so stupid will<--- go dinosaurs way, > > > hehe > > LOL > > grin > > Have fun > > You're a piece of work. He's my Perl simulation of a dingbat. I've been working real hard on it. I've put in Palin engrams lately, see the difference? And I use a webcam pointed at my cat's litter box as a text randomizer.
From: Robert Baer on 19 Apr 2010 01:17
Jan Panteltje wrote: > On The Origin Of Oil > > Somebody probably thought of this before, but here is my idea: > > How I came to this: > > Somebody mentioned solar energy was no good. > I wanted to reply that without 'Sol' we , the earth, would be just a few degrees above absolute zero, > no plants would exists, and then I wanted to parrot what I was taught: 'Oil comes from plants'. > > That never jived with me in any way.. > I did read theories that mentioned it came from inside the earth, but that made no sense to me either. > > Then one thing was still on my mind, this article about Pluto's atmosphere: > http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/14apr_molasses/ > It mentions how they hope to get a probe to Pluto 'before the atmosphere there condenses'. > > > Don you would not read this if not solar powered satellites had brought it to you. > No sat TV either. > > > > > The theory: > > Now imagine earth in it early years, hydrocarbons make up the atmosphere, and temperature is high. > As it slowly cools off, the hydrocarbons condense and leave a thick layer on the ground. > > > > Summary: > > For me, when that thought occurred to me, all things just clicked into place. > Tar sands, where the hydrocarbons fall on sand, other places where the goo collects in > basins with a solid rock bottom, later to be covered by sand, like in deserts.. > Oil *everywhere*. > > > Copyright (c) Jan Panteltje 2010-always > Nothing of this may be used without written permission of the Author. ....and the dead plants from ages ago got buried, compressed by tectonics, and became coal of various grades: peat to diamond being the extremes. 'Splains the diff. |