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From: mjt on 26 Jun 2010 12:41 On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:31:42 +0100 Darren Salt <news(a)youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote: > You might want to try cdrskin and xorriso, or something else which uses > libburn and libisoburn (respectively). (I've not done so as yet, though.) Well then, when you've used it in various forms of writing/burning to various incarnations of media (CD's/DVD[+-], and can report accurately that it equals cdrtools, let us know ... > For DVDs, I normally use growisofs (dvd+rw-tools). What do you think growisofs depends on? http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ Q. Do I still need cdrtools? A. Yes. It should be explicitly noted that growisofs is a front-end to mkisofs, i.e. invokes mkisofs to perform the actual ISO9660 file system layout. Secondly, the DVD burners available on the market can burn even CD-R[W] media and cdrecord is the tool for this job. > > I'm appalled that SUSE, and other distro vendors, knowing full well about > > this broken fork, and still includes the broken fork as the "default" !!! > > Broken or not, You'd rather use a broken package? > it is at least distributable. And you're saying cdrtools isn't? -- Don't kiss an elephant on the lips today. <<< Remove YOURSHOES to email me >>>
From: Aragorn on 26 Jun 2010 12:52 On Saturday 26 June 2010 18:41 in comp.os.linux.misc, somebody identifying as mjt wrote... > On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:31:42 +0100 > Darren Salt <news(a)youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote: > >> Broken or not, > > You'd rather use a broken package? > >> it is at least distributable. > > And you're saying cdrtools isn't? I'm no lawyer or license guru, but it does deserve to be mentioned that Joerg Schilling's "cdrtools" is licensed under the CDDL, while "wodim" - i.e. the "broken" variant - is licensed either under the GPL or a compatible Free Software license - the BSD or Apache license, perhaps. "cdrtools" is freely downloadable from Schilling's repository, but I don't know whether the CDDL supports distribution by third parties. Like I said, I'm neither a lawyer nor a license guru. ;-) -- *Aragorn* (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
From: John Hasler on 26 Jun 2010 13:17 Aragorn writes: > ..."wodim" - i.e. the "broken" variant - is licensed either under the > GPL or a compatible Free Software license - the BSD or Apache license, > perhaps. GPL. And it works fine. > "cdrtools" is freely downloadable from Schilling's repository, but I > don't know whether the CDDL supports distribution by third parties. It does, but cdrtools includes both GPL and CDDL code, and the licenses are incompatible. This might be ok if all authors grant permission, but that should be made explicit and has not been. More troublesome is the fact that Schilling has threatened Free Software developers with legal action. All of this has caused many to conclude that is is best to avoid cdrtools. -- John Hasler jhasler(a)newsguy.com Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA
From: mjt on 26 Jun 2010 13:26 On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 18:52:11 +0200 Aragorn <aragorn(a)chatfactory.invalid> wrote: > On Saturday 26 June 2010 18:41 in comp.os.linux.misc, somebody > > On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:31:42 +0100 > > Darren Salt <news(a)youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote: > >> it is at least distributable. > > > > And you're saying cdrtools isn't? > > I'm no lawyer or license guru, but it does deserve to be mentioned that > Joerg Schilling's "cdrtools" is licensed under the CDDL, > while "wodim" - i.e. the "broken" variant - is licensed either under > the GPL or a compatible Free Software license - the BSD or Apache > license, perhaps. http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html "Cdrtools are now available under a OSS license that gives *more* freedom than the GPL ... http://www.opensource.org/licenses/cddl1.php search for "3. Distribution Obligations." and read on for more info. > "cdrtools" is freely downloadable from Schilling's repository, but I > don't know whether the CDDL supports distribution by third parties. > Like I said, I'm neither a lawyer nor a license guru. ;-) The 'cdrtools' are being distributed by third parties as we speak, such as openSUSE and other distro vendors. In my case, I merely de-slected the 'cdrkit' tools and enabled 'cdrtools' (current version). The issue I see is that the distro vendors are either "overlooking" the fact they've set the 'cdrkit' package as default or they just "don't care" and are leaving it up to the end user to discover the broken nature of cdrkit. Even I was initially "fooled" into thinking I was using the *real* "cdrecord" ... until I ran "cdrecord --version" did I discover the fact I was using the broken cdrkit toolset. -- I have great faith in fools - self confidence my friends call it. -- Edgar Allan Poe <<< Remove YOURSHOES to email me >>>
From: Darren Salt on 26 Jun 2010 14:09
I demand that mjt may or may not have written... > On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:31:42 +0100 > Darren Salt <news(a)youmustbejoking.demon.cu.invalid> wrote: >> You might want to try cdrskin and xorriso, or something else which uses >> libburn and libisoburn (respectively). (I've not done so as yet, though.) > Well then, when you've used it in various forms of writing/burning to > various incarnations of media (CD's/DVD[+-], and can report accurately > that it equals cdrtools, let us know ... You could be waiting a long time for that. For a start, I neither have nor intend to install cdrtools... And since you want to know that, why don't *you* try it and see? Be sure only to report if, as you put it, "it equals cdrtools", and remember that should it not equal cdrtools in any way, you should not let us know that that is so. >> For DVDs, I normally use growisofs (dvd+rw-tools). > What do you think growisofs depends on? dvd+rw-tools (which contains growisofs) depends on libc6, libgcc1, libstdc++6 and... genisoimage. http://packages.debian.org/sid/dvd+rw-tools [snip] > Secondly, the DVD burners available on the market can burn even CD-R[W] > media True, but irrelevant. [snip same old, adequately answered elsewhere & elsewhen] -- | Darren Salt | linux at youmustbejoking | nr. Ashington, | Toon | using Debian GNU/Linux | or ds ,demon,co,uk | Northumberland | back! The first myth of management is that it exists. |