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From: Fred on 7 Sep 2008 04:43 "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote in message news:8hv6c41r2l3ap2bk1e7p4lss9g5tehoai6(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:42:35 +1200, "Fred" <general(a)zaradise.net.uk> > wrote: > >>Thanks - yes meant WPA. Have set for WPA-PSK. > > That's correct. Did you assign a long and messy pass phrase? > >>The only way I can enter >>password is on the computer end so do not know what you mean by >>mismatched. > > Mismatched pass phrases means that you have different pass phrases on > the router and on the computer. > >>I have specified above that systems are all xp, > > Sorry, I missed that. > >>and gave model number of >>belkin unit, > > Sorry. The Belkin search didn't find anything on the model number. I > didn't notice that you were in UK. Searching a different Belkin site > yields a model F5D7630UK4A: > <http://www.belkin.com/support/download.asp?lang=1&download=F5D7630uk4A> > The latest firmware is 1.08.03. Is this what you have? If not, > update. > No. I'm in New Zealand. Not sure about trying that update. >>so not sure where to find anything else. > > Well, the laptops have a wireless card inside and use some form of > client manager. The most common for XP is WZC (Wireless Zero Config). > There are also wireless managers that come with aftermarket wireless > cards. Which are you trying to use? > Wireless enabled Acer aspire one - brand new. Two older dell Inspirons - an 1150 and a 2650 both with airplus extreme cards DWL-G650. Have tried settin g up on each one with the other two turned off. >>Only wireless devices >>are 3 laptops. > > Do these laptops have a maker and model number? As above. > >>I have several times reset router to factory default by >>holding down the reset button, and also on the software interface. Then >>set-up from scratch. 192.168.2.1. gains access. > > Good, so there's no garbage in the previously saved settings. > > You didn't answer my previous questions, so I'll try once more: > > 1. Are you typing in a password on the laptop when it connects? If > not, delete the connection profile or WZC entry and start over as if > it were a new connection. I type in the password (and again to confirm) then select connect. > > 2. Did you disable the MAC address filtering? If not, please disable > the MAC address filtering until you get WPA working. Yes - tried with mac filtering disabled. > > 3. Did you verify the version number of the firmware in your Belkin > F5D7630UK4A? If not, please do so and update as necessary. As I said I'm in NZ. My model does not have any country code in it. It is simply F57630-4A. I have found one F57630AU4A (Australia) which is possibly the update I want, but nothing happens when I try to download it from the site. > > 4. Did you verify the version number of whatever you're using for a > wireless device on your unspecified model laptops? If not, please > find the version number of the drivers and see if there are updates > available from the manufacturers web site. Driver on Acer is Atheros Date 20/5/08 version 7.6.0.224 No further updates. > > 5. Same version problem with the XP laptops. There were quite a few > updates to XP to fix various wireless issues. Right click on the "My > Computah" icon and select "properties". Does it say XP, XP SP1, XP > SP2, or XP SP3? You should be up to XP SP3. If not, update. > > Yes. All are SP3 > Incidentally, this has nothing to do with the current problem, but > there are a few "hidden pages" in the F5D7630 setup: > <http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/belkin_commands.htm> > > How wonderfully refreshing to see the word 'problem' instead of that dreadful euphimism 'issue'. Well done. > -- > Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com > 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com > Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
From: Adair Winter on 7 Sep 2008 09:37 Did you ever type in a pass phrase in the router? It wont matter how many times you type one in the laptops if it does not match whats in the router. Adair "Fred" <general(a)zaradise.net.uk> wrote in message news:48c39468$1(a)clear.net.nz... > > "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote in message > news:8hv6c41r2l3ap2bk1e7p4lss9g5tehoai6(a)4ax.com... >> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:42:35 +1200, "Fred" <general(a)zaradise.net.uk> >> wrote: >> >>>Thanks - yes meant WPA. Have set for WPA-PSK. >> >> That's correct. Did you assign a long and messy pass phrase? >> >>>The only way I can enter >>>password is on the computer end so do not know what you mean by >>>mismatched. >> >> Mismatched pass phrases means that you have different pass phrases on >> the router and on the computer. >> >>>I have specified above that systems are all xp, >> >> Sorry, I missed that. >> >>>and gave model number of >>>belkin unit, >> >> Sorry. The Belkin search didn't find anything on the model number. I >> didn't notice that you were in UK. Searching a different Belkin site >> yields a model F5D7630UK4A: >> <http://www.belkin.com/support/download.asp?lang=1&download=F5D7630uk4A> >> The latest firmware is 1.08.03. Is this what you have? If not, >> update. >> > > No. I'm in New Zealand. Not sure about trying that update. >>>so not sure where to find anything else. >> >> Well, the laptops have a wireless card inside and use some form of >> client manager. The most common for XP is WZC (Wireless Zero Config). >> There are also wireless managers that come with aftermarket wireless >> cards. Which are you trying to use? >> > > Wireless enabled Acer aspire one - brand new. Two older dell Inspirons - > an 1150 and a 2650 both with airplus extreme cards DWL-G650. Have tried > settin g up on each one with the other two turned off. > > >>>Only wireless devices >>>are 3 laptops. >> >> Do these laptops have a maker and model number? > > As above. >> >>>I have several times reset router to factory default by >>>holding down the reset button, and also on the software interface. Then >>>set-up from scratch. 192.168.2.1. gains access. >> >> Good, so there's no garbage in the previously saved settings. >> >> You didn't answer my previous questions, so I'll try once more: > >> >> 1. Are you typing in a password on the laptop when it connects? If >> not, delete the connection profile or WZC entry and start over as if >> it were a new connection. > > I type in the password (and again to confirm) then select connect. >> >> 2. Did you disable the MAC address filtering? If not, please disable >> the MAC address filtering until you get WPA working. > > Yes - tried with mac filtering disabled. >> >> 3. Did you verify the version number of the firmware in your Belkin >> F5D7630UK4A? If not, please do so and update as necessary. > > As I said I'm in NZ. My model does not have any country code in it. It is > simply F57630-4A. I have found one F57630AU4A (Australia) which is > possibly the update I want, but nothing happens when I try to download it > from the site. >> >> 4. Did you verify the version number of whatever you're using for a >> wireless device on your unspecified model laptops? If not, please >> find the version number of the drivers and see if there are updates >> available from the manufacturers web site. > > Driver on Acer is Atheros Date 20/5/08 version 7.6.0.224 > No further updates. >> > >> 5. Same version problem with the XP laptops. There were quite a few >> updates to XP to fix various wireless issues. Right click on the "My >> Computah" icon and select "properties". Does it say XP, XP SP1, XP >> SP2, or XP SP3? You should be up to XP SP3. If not, update. >> >> > > Yes. All are SP3 > >> Incidentally, this has nothing to do with the current problem, but >> there are a few "hidden pages" in the F5D7630 setup: >> <http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/belkin_commands.htm> >> >> > > How wonderfully refreshing to see the word 'problem' instead of that > dreadful euphimism 'issue'. Well done. >> -- >> Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com >> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com >> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com >> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 > >
From: Jeff Liebermann on 7 Sep 2008 11:19 On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:43:42 +1200, "Fred" <general(a)zaradise.net.uk> wrote: >No. I'm in New Zealand. Not sure about trying that update. Belkin doesn't show a NZ site, but there's one for Australia. <http://www.belkin.com/au/support/product/?lid=ena&pid=F5D7630au4A> The firmware version shows 1.08.03 but might be different from the US version. I'm not familiar with the politics, but methinks AU and NZ use the same wi-fi regulations. What firmware version are you currently using? >Wireless enabled Acer aspire one - brand new. Two older dell Inspirons - an >1150 and a 2650 both with airplus extreme cards DWL-G650. Have tried settin >g up on each one with the other two turned off. The DWL-G650 PCMCIA card comes with a rather awful connection manager. I had far too much entertainment value trying to use it. You might find it useful to update your driver or switch to using XP WZC. There are 3 hardware revisions (A, B, and C) of the DWL-G650 in addition to various mutations of the DWL-G650+ (a totally different card). Verify that you have the latest drivers installed. >> 1. Are you typing in a password on the laptop when it connects? If >> not, delete the connection profile or WZC entry and start over as if >> it were a new connection. > >I type in the password (and again to confirm) then select connect. That sounds like a WZC login. Microsoft is the only vendor that seems to think you need to type a WPA pass phrase twice on the client side. Sounds like you're doing it correctly and WPA should work. >Yes - tried with mac filtering disabled. Leave it disabled until we get WPA working. >As I said I'm in NZ. My model does not have any country code in it. It is >simply F57630-4A. I have found one F57630AU4A (Australia) which is >possibly the update I want, but nothing happens when I try to download it >from the site. It downloads just fine for me when I tried it from the AU site. >Driver on Acer is Atheros Date 20/5/08 version 7.6.0.224 >No further updates. I have to guess on the chipset and/or wi-fi card, but that looks like it's current. There's no obvious culprit here, but there are a few clues. The fact that NONE of the 3 laptops work with WPA imply that either: 1. Something is wrong with the Belkin router or setup. 2. You mistyped the WPA pass phrase. (Use cut-n-paste to be sure). 3. Perhaps another wireless access point setup with an identical configuration. Presumably, you assigned a unique SSID to the wireless router. Methinks a firmware update to the Belkin is the most likely solution. Also verify that you are really setup for WPA-PSK and *NOT* WEP encryption. There are some real compatibility problems with WEP. >How wonderfully refreshing to see the word 'problem' instead of that >dreadful euphimism 'issue'. Well done. I don't see a problem or issue with using the word issue. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
From: Fred on 7 Sep 2008 16:06 "Adair Winter" <adairw(a)swbell.net> wrote in message news:wOQwk.20575$cW3.20059(a)nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com... > Did you ever type in a pass phrase in the router? > It wont matter how many times you type one in the laptops if it does not > match whats in the router. Yes same 8 alphanumeric in both. Have even tried different codes. (in both) > "Fred" <general(a)zaradise.net.uk> wrote in message > news:48c39468$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> >> "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote in message >> news:8hv6c41r2l3ap2bk1e7p4lss9g5tehoai6(a)4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:42:35 +1200, "Fred" <general(a)zaradise.net.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Thanks - yes meant WPA. Have set for WPA-PSK. >>> >>> That's correct. Did you assign a long and messy pass phrase? >>> >>>>The only way I can enter >>>>password is on the computer end so do not know what you mean by >>>>mismatched. >>> >>> Mismatched pass phrases means that you have different pass phrases on >>> the router and on the computer. >>> >>>>I have specified above that systems are all xp, >>> >>> Sorry, I missed that. >>> >>>>and gave model number of >>>>belkin unit, >>> >>> Sorry. The Belkin search didn't find anything on the model number. I >>> didn't notice that you were in UK. Searching a different Belkin site >>> yields a model F5D7630UK4A: >>> <http://www.belkin.com/support/download.asp?lang=1&download=F5D7630uk4A> >>> The latest firmware is 1.08.03. Is this what you have? If not, >>> update. >>> >> >> No. I'm in New Zealand. Not sure about trying that update. >>>>so not sure where to find anything else. >>> >>> Well, the laptops have a wireless card inside and use some form of >>> client manager. The most common for XP is WZC (Wireless Zero Config). >>> There are also wireless managers that come with aftermarket wireless >>> cards. Which are you trying to use? >>> >> >> Wireless enabled Acer aspire one - brand new. Two older dell Inspirons - >> an 1150 and a 2650 both with airplus extreme cards DWL-G650. Have tried >> settin g up on each one with the other two turned off. >> >> >>>>Only wireless devices >>>>are 3 laptops. >>> >>> Do these laptops have a maker and model number? >> >> As above. >>> >>>>I have several times reset router to factory default by >>>>holding down the reset button, and also on the software interface. Then >>>>set-up from scratch. 192.168.2.1. gains access. >>> >>> Good, so there's no garbage in the previously saved settings. >>> >>> You didn't answer my previous questions, so I'll try once more: >> >>> >>> 1. Are you typing in a password on the laptop when it connects? If >>> not, delete the connection profile or WZC entry and start over as if >>> it were a new connection. >> >> I type in the password (and again to confirm) then select connect. >>> >>> 2. Did you disable the MAC address filtering? If not, please disable >>> the MAC address filtering until you get WPA working. >> >> Yes - tried with mac filtering disabled. >>> >>> 3. Did you verify the version number of the firmware in your Belkin >>> F5D7630UK4A? If not, please do so and update as necessary. >> >> As I said I'm in NZ. My model does not have any country code in it. It is >> simply F57630-4A. I have found one F57630AU4A (Australia) which is >> possibly the update I want, but nothing happens when I try to download it >> from the site. >>> >>> 4. Did you verify the version number of whatever you're using for a >>> wireless device on your unspecified model laptops? If not, please >>> find the version number of the drivers and see if there are updates >>> available from the manufacturers web site. >> >> Driver on Acer is Atheros Date 20/5/08 version 7.6.0.224 >> No further updates. >>> >> >>> 5. Same version problem with the XP laptops. There were quite a few >>> updates to XP to fix various wireless issues. Right click on the "My >>> Computah" icon and select "properties". Does it say XP, XP SP1, XP >>> SP2, or XP SP3? You should be up to XP SP3. If not, update. >>> >>> >> >> Yes. All are SP3 >> >>> Incidentally, this has nothing to do with the current problem, but >>> there are a few "hidden pages" in the F5D7630 setup: >>> <http://www.kitz.co.uk/routers/belkin_commands.htm> >>> >>> >> >> How wonderfully refreshing to see the word 'problem' instead of that >> dreadful euphimism 'issue'. Well done. >>> -- >>> Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com >>> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com >>> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com >>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 >> >> > >
From: Fred on 7 Sep 2008 16:16
"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl(a)cruzio.com> wrote in message news:q0r7c49ppki5o504n0jlr9puvu9vsg14hm(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:43:42 +1200, "Fred" <general(a)zaradise.net.uk> > wrote: > >>No. I'm in New Zealand. Not sure about trying that update. > > Belkin doesn't show a NZ site, but there's one for Australia. > <http://www.belkin.com/au/support/product/?lid=ena&pid=F5D7630au4A> > The firmware version shows 1.08.03 but might be different from the US > version. I'm not familiar with the politics, but methinks AU and NZ > use the same wi-fi regulations. What firmware version are you > currently using? Whatever it decided in the first place - don't know version. > >>Wireless enabled Acer aspire one - brand new. Two older dell Inspirons - >>an >>1150 and a 2650 both with airplus extreme cards DWL-G650. Have tried >>settin >>g up on each one with the other two turned off. > > The DWL-G650 PCMCIA card comes with a rather awful connection manager. > I had far too much entertainment value trying to use it. You might > find it useful to update your driver or switch to using XP WZC. There > are 3 hardware revisions (A, B, and C) of the DWL-G650 in addition to > various mutations of the DWL-G650+ (a totally different card). Verify > that you have the latest drivers installed. I have tried to connect various friends laptops which are known to worl on other connections. Same result - nothing happens after entering password. > >>> 1. Are you typing in a password on the laptop when it connects? If >>> not, delete the connection profile or WZC entry and start over as if >>> it were a new connection. >> >>I type in the password (and again to confirm) then select connect. > > That sounds like a WZC login. Microsoft is the only vendor that seems > to think you need to type a WPA pass phrase twice on the client side. > Sounds like you're doing it correctly and WPA should work. > >>Yes - tried with mac filtering disabled. > > Leave it disabled until we get WPA working. > >>As I said I'm in NZ. My model does not have any country code in it. It is >>simply F57630-4A. I have found one F57630AU4A (Australia) which is >>possibly the update I want, but nothing happens when I try to download it >>from the site. > > It downloads just fine for me when I tried it from the AU site. > >>Driver on Acer is Atheros Date 20/5/08 version 7.6.0.224 >>No further updates. > > I have to guess on the chipset and/or wi-fi card, but that looks like > it's current. > > There's no obvious culprit here, but there are a few clues. The fact > that NONE of the 3 laptops work with WPA imply that either: > 1. Something is wrong with the Belkin router or setup. > 2. You mistyped the WPA pass phrase. (Use cut-n-paste to be sure). > 3. Perhaps another wireless access point setup with an identical > configuration. Presumably, you assigned a unique SSID to the wireless > router. > If I change the Sdefault SID on the router, I cannot reconnect. > Methinks a firmware update to the Belkin is the most likely solution. > Also verify that you are really setup for WPA-PSK and *NOT* WEP > encryption. There are some real compatibility problems with WEP. Definitely WPA PSK > >>How wonderfully refreshing to see the word 'problem' instead of that >>dreadful euphimism 'issue'. Well done. > > I don't see a problem or issue with using the word issue. I do. It seems to have replaced every second word in the language. Concerns, matters,situations, problems, difficulties and plenty more - all gone. (You're younger than me - I remember these words :-) > > -- > Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com > 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com > Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |