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From: Dave on 28 Mar 2010 15:45
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:49:18 -0700, Craig wrote:

> On 03/28/2010 04:15 AM, Ace wrote:

>> never tried gentoo-ish fork. what's so special compared to
>> debian/ubuntu/forks ?
>
> Can't speak for sabayon but IIRC, gentoo is all about compiling whatever
> one wants on their box as opposed to debian, et al, which for the most
> part, install binaries.
>
> So, in gentoo, if I want OpenOffice.org suite, I download the source &
> compile it into a binary. In Debian, I look for the binary's repository
> and download it.
>
> FreeBSD, which I use, is set up the same way. You might think that this
> way of doing things is a pita but, really, it's just another learning
> curve. Once done a few times, the process is straight-forward.
> Cost/Benefit? Careful. The discussion can get religious quickly. Check
> out this thread...
>
> <http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?
p=888464#post888464>
>
> hth,

Things are changing a bit in the "compile only" method of adding
programs.I installed Sabayon 5.2 in VirtualBox cause I haven't tried any
Gentoo-based distros for a while,and was pleasently surprised with the
ease of Sulfur,the GUI for Equo,the Sabayon binary manager.
http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=Sulfur
It seems very much like yumex in Fedora(first impression)I found a lot in
the repos ready to go.Gimp 2.6.8,over 50 meg download,installed in about
a minute.clickety-clickety.Gentoo purists must be yanking their hair
out.<g>

Dave

--
Registered Linux user # 444770

From: Wheel on 28 Mar 2010 17:57
Craig wrote:
> On 03/28/2010 04:15 AM, Ace wrote:
>> On 27.03.2010 17:26, Dave wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:43:24 -0400, Mark Warner wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05974
>>>>
>>>> Is it still Bearware?
>>>
>>> Well it's very pretty....
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>> never tried gentoo-ish fork. what's so special compared to
>> debian/ubuntu/forks ?
>
> Can't speak for sabayon but IIRC, gentoo is all about compiling whatever
> one wants on their box as opposed to debian, et al, which for the most
> part, install binaries.
>
> So, in gentoo, if I want OpenOffice.org suite, I download the source &
> compile it into a binary. In Debian, I look for the binary's repository
> and download it.
>
> FreeBSD, which I use, is set up the same way. You might think that this
> way of doing things is a pita but, really, it's just another learning
> curve. Once done a few times, the process is straight-forward.
> Cost/Benefit? Careful. The discussion can get religious quickly. Check
> out this thread...
>
> <http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=888464#post888464>

The 'Linux Ware Weekly' Author (Whirled.Peas) finally convinced me to
take a serious look at this Linux thing; hence new hardware, without the
weird mishmash of components. Wanted to wait for USB 3 to establish
before upgrading, but I have others to do.


Windows 7:

A good Xp upgrade; nice touches, a serious firewall (In/Out), etc. It's
good, really good. If you take away the flashiness and use a 'Windows
Classic' theme, it's just a big Xp service pack. I'm not knocking it,
it's just once you've seen NT3.51, NT4.0a, NT5.0, NT5.1, not really in
the game for NT6.0, but did I really miss anything, now NT6.1, well...


Linux Mint 8 - Helena:

Used Win7 to shrink a partition then... and I like the expression, threw
Mint at it.

Impressive, really impressive. After a 'LiveCD' play; installed. Easy
isn't the word, it just installed. The only problem I had was
re-configuring my router to accept a connection from an unknown wireless
IP/MAC pair.

As a bit of a tweaker, I've set about it with vigour (at least the
surface stuff) and so far found the answer to everything, somewhere on
an unfamiliar menu that's often forgotten, leading to another hunt.

Once I can get my head around the "forks", front-ends, distros,
packages, syntax, nomenclature, etc. I think a steady drift away from
Microsoft is inevitable. Everything just works; and at pace.

Early days yet, but I already seldom boot to Win7; could be because I
can more or less do what I want to do on my main machine. It could also
be the newness of it all, although it shows an unconscious, let's not
say disappointment, but a lack of satisfaction when compared to the
introduction of Xp and now Mint.

I'm not giving up Xp just yet, hardware limitations, but Win7 will have
to pull something compelling out of its hat, if it wants to be more than
something I need to be familiar with, when Xp finally dies, and its days
are numbered.


So far... dare I say it?...


P.S.

I said to Little Girl once, "From a wireless connection: Read my header.".
From: Mark Warner on 28 Mar 2010 18:18
Wheel wrote:
>
> Linux Mint 8 - Helena:
>
> Used Win7 to shrink a partition then... and I like the expression, threw
> Mint at it.
>
> Impressive, really impressive. After a 'LiveCD' play; installed. Easy
> isn't the word, it just installed. The only problem I had was
> re-configuring my router to accept a connection from an unknown wireless
> IP/MAC pair.
>
> As a bit of a tweaker, I've set about it with vigour (at least the
> surface stuff) and so far found the answer to everything, somewhere on
> an unfamiliar menu that's often forgotten, leading to another hunt.
>
> Once I can get my head around the "forks", front-ends, distros,
> packages, syntax, nomenclature, etc. I think a steady drift away from
> Microsoft is inevitable. Everything just works; and at pace.

Nice to hear. The "learning curve" that is so often referred to is as
much about UNlearning the "Windows way" as it is about new knowledge.

--
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
....lose .inhibitions when replying
From: Craig on 28 Mar 2010 19:28
On 03/28/2010 03:18 PM, Mark Warner wrote:
> Wheel wrote:
>>
....
>> Once I can get my head around the "forks", front-ends, distros,
>> packages, syntax, nomenclature, etc. I think a steady drift away from
>> Microsoft is inevitable. Everything just works; and at pace.
>
> Nice to hear. The "learning curve" that is so often referred to is as
> much about UNlearning the "Windows way" as it is about new knowledge.

Thanks for the write-up, Wheel.

It's helpful to read how people new to gnu <cough> to other operating
systems respond. By the way, instead of dual-booting, have you thought
of setting up your computer to use VMs like with VirtualBox?

Reason I ask is that I'll be going that route soon and if you're about
to take the plunge I could... learn vicariously. <grin>

thx,
--
-Craig
From: za kAT on 28 Mar 2010 20:26
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:28:48 -0700, Craig wrote:

> It's helpful to read how people new to gnu <cough> to other operating
> systems respond. By the way, instead of dual-booting, have you thought
> of setting up your computer to use VMs like with VirtualBox?
>
> Reason I ask is that I'll be going that route soon and if you're about
> to take the plunge I could... learn vicariously. <grin>

On Vista, I gave up with Virtualbox. It's OK, but USB support sucks, and
the tools are wank with unices. Unity is pretty unusable.

VMWare workstation is light years better if you really need it all to work
smoothly. Especially with unices.

--
zakAT(a)pooh.the.cat - www.zakATsKopterChat.com
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