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From: John Corliss on 10 Jan 2010 05:25 Roger Hunt wrote: > bob <nottooslow42(a)yahoo.com> wrote >> In article <hi39cr$k5n$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, >> netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com says... >>> On 01/06/2010 03:55 PM, David H. Lipman wrote: >>>> From: "Fred"<reg(a)parachute.net.nz> >>>> >>>> | Lide 30. Definitely not interested in paying for 3rd party software. I do >>>> | have an old laptop (XP) that I can keep for scanning. It's far from an >>>> | everyday use for me. >>>> >>>> I have the SAME model ! :-) >>>> >>>> Have you tried the Vista version of the software ? >>> That's what I was gonna ask. >>> >>> Every time the aging peripherals gave me a bother about drivers under >>> win7 (3 times & counting), I've been able to use Vista's w/o a quibble. >> That's because Vista and Win7 use the same driver model. >> > It sure is similar, but, for instance, the Vista version of my Sil680 > RAID card drivers makes Win7 drop dead here, and they haven't done a > Win7 RAID driver for that card, if they ever will. And they probably won't, since that would hurt their sales. Of course, that's penny wise and pound foolish because most people when burned like that, get their hardware upgrades from another company. It would be nice if somebody would start a website which listed track records for companies with regard to dropping support of their hardware whenever they have a chance. Until the consumers do something like this, the situation is only going to get worse. By the way, I'm *still* using an ancient Hewlett-Packard 855C with my XP Home SP3 computer. The current driver removed several key features, one of them resident fonts. This means that everything I print takes the slow graphics mode method to do so. I find it hard to believe that this was anything other than deliberate on the part of HP and MS (the latter supposedly created the driver.) The main reason I mention the printer is to demonstrate that some hardware, when carefully taken care of, will last LONG past what the manufacturer says it will. With each upgrade of Windows, Microsoft allows the hardware manufacturers to engage in a feeding frenzy of forced upgrades. Over the years I've seen this situation get increasingly worse and worse. For instance, a common practice is to write drivers for a newer version of Windows, but as I mentioned above, remove features from the hardware. There's simply no excuse for that kind of behavior other than corporate greed. -- John Corliss BS206. Using News Proxy, I block all Google Groups posts due to Googlespam, and as many posts from anonymous remailers (like x-privat.org for eg.) as possible due to forgeries posted through them. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
From: mike on 10 Jan 2010 06:05 John Corliss wrote: > Roger Hunt wrote: >> bob <nottooslow42(a)yahoo.com> wrote >>> In article <hi39cr$k5n$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, >>> netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com says... >>>> On 01/06/2010 03:55 PM, David H. Lipman wrote: >>>>> From: "Fred"<reg(a)parachute.net.nz> >>>>> >>>>> | Lide 30. Definitely not interested in paying for 3rd party >>>>> software. I do >>>>> | have an old laptop (XP) that I can keep for scanning. It's far >>>>> from an >>>>> | everyday use for me. >>>>> >>>>> I have the SAME model ! :-) >>>>> >>>>> Have you tried the Vista version of the software ? >>>> That's what I was gonna ask. >>>> >>>> Every time the aging peripherals gave me a bother about drivers >>>> under win7 (3 times & counting), I've been able to use Vista's w/o a >>>> quibble. >>> That's because Vista and Win7 use the same driver model. >>> >> It sure is similar, but, for instance, the Vista version of my Sil680 >> RAID card drivers makes Win7 drop dead here, and they haven't done a >> Win7 RAID driver for that card, if they ever will. > > And they probably won't, since that would hurt their sales. Of course, > that's penny wise and pound foolish because most people when burned like > that, get their hardware upgrades from another company. > > It would be nice if somebody would start a website which listed track > records for companies with regard to dropping support of their hardware > whenever they have a chance. Until the consumers do something like this, > the situation is only going to get worse. > > By the way, I'm *still* using an ancient Hewlett-Packard 855C with my XP > Home SP3 computer. The current driver removed several key features, one > of them resident fonts. This means that everything I print takes the > slow graphics mode method to do so. I find it hard to believe that this > was anything other than deliberate on the part of HP and MS (the latter > supposedly created the driver.) > > The main reason I mention the printer is to demonstrate that some > hardware, when carefully taken care of, will last LONG past what the > manufacturer says it will. > > With each upgrade of Windows, Microsoft allows the hardware > manufacturers to engage in a feeding frenzy of forced upgrades. Over the > years I've seen this situation get increasingly worse and worse. For > instance, a common practice is to write drivers for a newer version of > Windows, but as I mentioned above, remove features from the hardware. > There's simply no excuse for that kind of behavior other than corporate > greed. > I agree with you 100%...but... What if M$ created an operating system version that was infinitely extensible, had stable driver models, stable low-level interfaces and ran on slow computers? Why would anybody buy new hardware or software? Who'd fund development for innovation? How could Intel develop the P4 if everybody was happy and quit buying PIII? Especially if new sw ran WELL on old hardware. My car is 20 years old and not even half worn out. Why the heck do we need an entire fleet of new models every year? I do a lot of garage sales. It's not unusual, like I see it 10 times a day, to see 5 cellphones for sale in one garage. I've never owned even one. Can't imagine anybody going thru 5. We do it because buying new stuff is what makes the economy go round. If we quit buying, we end up...well...where we are now. But that's all very good news for me. If you stay 5-years behind the state of the market, you can save BIG BUX. A 5-year-old computer is WAY more than most people need. Just work the system instead of letting it work you. I can build a very capable computer out of $10 worth of discards. 'Bout the only thing I buy new any more is food. Used food smells bad.
From: John Corliss on 10 Jan 2010 08:21 mike wrote: > John Corliss wrote: >> Roger Hunt wrote: >>> bob <nottooslow42(a)yahoo.com> wrote >>>> In article <hi39cr$k5n$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, >>>> netburgher(a)REMOVEgmail.com says... >>>>> On 01/06/2010 03:55 PM, David H. Lipman wrote: >>>>>> From: "Fred"<reg(a)parachute.net.nz> >>>>>> >>>>>> | Lide 30. Definitely not interested in paying for 3rd party >>>>>> software. I do >>>>>> | have an old laptop (XP) that I can keep for scanning. It's far >>>>>> from an >>>>>> | everyday use for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the SAME model ! :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you tried the Vista version of the software ? >>>>> That's what I was gonna ask. >>>>> >>>>> Every time the aging peripherals gave me a bother about drivers >>>>> under win7 (3 times & counting), I've been able to use Vista's w/o >>>>> a quibble. >>>> That's because Vista and Win7 use the same driver model. >>>> >>> It sure is similar, but, for instance, the Vista version of my Sil680 >>> RAID card drivers makes Win7 drop dead here, and they haven't done a >>> Win7 RAID driver for that card, if they ever will. >> >> And they probably won't, since that would hurt their sales. Of course, >> that's penny wise and pound foolish because most people when burned >> like that, get their hardware upgrades from another company. >> >> It would be nice if somebody would start a website which listed track >> records for companies with regard to dropping support of their >> hardware whenever they have a chance. Until the consumers do something >> like this, the situation is only going to get worse. >> >> By the way, I'm *still* using an ancient Hewlett-Packard 855C with my >> XP Home SP3 computer. The current driver removed several key features, >> one of them resident fonts. This means that everything I print takes >> the slow graphics mode method to do so. I find it hard to believe that >> this was anything other than deliberate on the part of HP and MS (the >> latter supposedly created the driver.) >> >> The main reason I mention the printer is to demonstrate that some >> hardware, when carefully taken care of, will last LONG past what the >> manufacturer says it will. >> >> With each upgrade of Windows, Microsoft allows the hardware >> manufacturers to engage in a feeding frenzy of forced upgrades. Over >> the years I've seen this situation get increasingly worse and worse. >> For instance, a common practice is to write drivers for a newer >> version of Windows, but as I mentioned above, remove features from the >> hardware. There's simply no excuse for that kind of behavior other >> than corporate greed. >> > > I agree with you 100%...but... > > What if M$ created an operating system version that was infinitely > extensible, had stable driver models, stable low-level interfaces and ran > on slow computers? > > Why would anybody buy new hardware or software? > Who'd fund development for innovation? > > How could Intel develop the P4 if everybody was happy and quit buying > PIII? Especially if new sw ran WELL on old hardware. > > My car is 20 years old and not even half worn out. Why the heck do we > need an entire fleet of new models every year? > > I do a lot of garage sales. It's not unusual, like I see it 10 times a > day, to see 5 cellphones for sale in one garage. I've never owned even > one. Can't imagine anybody going thru 5. > > We do it because buying new stuff is what makes the economy go round. > If we quit buying, we end up...well...where we are now. > > But that's all very good news for me. If you stay 5-years behind the > state of the market, you can save BIG BUX. A 5-year-old computer > is WAY more than most people need. > Just work the system instead of letting it work you. > I can build a very capable computer out of $10 worth of discards. > > 'Bout the only thing I buy new any more is food. Used food smells bad. As I see it, there are two extremes: 1. The user wants never to have to buy new hardware or software 2. The suppliers would have everybody buying new hardware and software every single second if they could (Microsoft wants to rent software to people and increase the amount of money we're pouring into their coffers.) There has to be a workable compromise. What we have now leans too far in favor of the suppliers. -- John Corliss BS206. Using News Proxy, I block all Google Groups posts due to Googlespam, and as many posts from anonymous remailers (like x-privat.org for eg.) as possible due to forgeries posted through them. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
From: David H. Lipman on 10 Jan 2010 08:24 From: "mike" <spamme0(a)go.com> | I agree with you 100%...but... | What if M$ created an operating system version that was infinitely | extensible, had stable driver models, stable low-level interfaces and ran | on slow computers? | Why would anybody buy new hardware or software? | Who'd fund development for innovation? | How could Intel develop the P4 if everybody was happy and quit buying | PIII? Especially if new sw ran WELL on old hardware. | My car is 20 years old and not even half worn out. Why the heck do we | need an entire fleet of new models every year? | I do a lot of garage sales. It's not unusual, like I see it 10 times a | day, to see 5 cellphones for sale in one garage. I've never owned even | one. Can't imagine anybody going thru 5. | We do it because buying new stuff is what makes the economy go round. | If we quit buying, we end up...well...where we are now. | But that's all very good news for me. If you stay 5-years behind the | state of the market, you can save BIG BUX. A 5-year-old computer | is WAY more than most people need. | Just work the system instead of letting it work you. | I can build a very capable computer out of $10 worth of discards. | 'Bout the only thing I buy new any more is food. Used food smells bad. You are hinting at the business practice known as "planned obsolescence" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
From: Man-wai Chang to The Door (24000bps) on 10 Jan 2010 08:28
On 07-Jan-10 05:44, Fred wrote: > My Canon scanner won't work on windows 7, and Canon are not releasing the > necessary driver. There is a driver available for purchase that will work > with any or at least most scanners, but does anyone know of a freeware one? Linux maintains drivers for old hardware! :) -- @~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.32.3 ^ ^ 21:28:01 up 1 day 6:41 1 user load average: 1.27 1.18 1.11 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa |