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From: Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] on 17 Dec 2007 12:30
ckramer7070(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> Yes the SBS box is the DHCP. All clients are connected to the server
> and are receiving an IP.
>
> I have run rsop.msc on the clients in question, the error report shows
> Group Policy cannot be applied (cannot find the domain controller) -
> after forcing the GP and logging the clients OFF/ON the errors are
> cleared. This scenario helps in the short-term but these clients never
> end up with the GP sticking after a week or two - could be due to
> reboots from updates.
>
> I have not tried using the UPHC clean up yet - I will apply this to
> the problem computers and let you know how it works out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chad

What about gpupdate /force?
Any other event log errors?
An ipconfig /all from the client & the server might help.

Also -

When you reply, please don't snip out all the quoted text, or nobody can
follow the thread. I see that you're using Google Groups to access this
newsgroup. Google Groups is great for searching historical posts, but is not
the best way to use usenet. I suggest you try using a news client, such as
Forte Agent, Thunderbird, or even Outlook Express, instead. It's a lot
easier to do nearly everything that way. You can mark messages to be
watched, filter the views so you can see replies to your posts easily, etc.

The Microsoft public news server is msnews.microsoft.com and you can
subscribe to as many groups as you like; no authentication is required.

The following is from a post by MVP Malke ...

-------------------------------------------------------
Here's information on Usenet and using a newsreader:

http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page3.html#12-09-02 - a brief
explanation of newsgroups
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlo...ssnewreader.htm
http://rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm
http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...wto/default.asp
- Set Up Newsreader

http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your newsreader is
working properly
http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm - how to munge email address
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting vs.
crossposting

Some newsreaders for Windows
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php - for Forte
http://www.mozilla.org (Thunderbird does newsgroups)
http://gravity.tbates.org/

-------------------------------------



From: Chad Kramer on 17 Dec 2007 13:54
gpupdate/ force on the client I'm working from now asks to log off -
choosing Yes and logging back in, then running rsop.msc shows the same
errors.
The other error in relation to the GP app 1054/Userenv is 5719/NETLOGON in
the system log. Odd thing is once I log in the network is available, but the
GPO's never get applied.

Server ipconfig:
Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : server1
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Lako.local
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Lako.local

Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 MT Network
Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.254
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

Client ipconfig:

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : server1
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Lako.local
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Lako.local

Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 MT Network
Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxxxxxxxxxx
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.254
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

Thanks a ton for the info on newsgroups, it was just another one of those
things I've been trying to get to but didn't have the time or help.

I really appreciate you working so diligently on this issue,

Chad

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<lanwench(a)heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23UcxEdNQIHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> ckramer7070(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Yes the SBS box is the DHCP. All clients are connected to the server
>> and are receiving an IP.
>>
>> I have run rsop.msc on the clients in question, the error report shows
>> Group Policy cannot be applied (cannot find the domain controller) -
>> after forcing the GP and logging the clients OFF/ON the errors are
>> cleared. This scenario helps in the short-term but these clients never
>> end up with the GP sticking after a week or two - could be due to
>> reboots from updates.
>>
>> I have not tried using the UPHC clean up yet - I will apply this to
>> the problem computers and let you know how it works out.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chad
>
> What about gpupdate /force?
> Any other event log errors?
> An ipconfig /all from the client & the server might help.
>
> Also -
>
> When you reply, please don't snip out all the quoted text, or nobody can
> follow the thread. I see that you're using Google Groups to access this
> newsgroup. Google Groups is great for searching historical posts, but is
> not the best way to use usenet. I suggest you try using a news client,
> such as Forte Agent, Thunderbird, or even Outlook Express, instead. It's
> a lot easier to do nearly everything that way. You can mark messages to be
> watched, filter the views so you can see replies to your posts easily,
> etc.
>
> The Microsoft public news server is msnews.microsoft.com and you can
> subscribe to as many groups as you like; no authentication is required.
>
> The following is from a post by MVP Malke ...
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Here's information on Usenet and using a newsreader:
>
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page3.html#12-09-02 - a brief
> explanation of newsgroups
> http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlo...ssnewreader.htm
> http://rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm
> http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...wto/default.asp
> - Set Up Newsreader
>
> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
> microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your newsreader is
> working properly
> http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm - how to munge email address
> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting vs.
> crossposting
>
> Some newsreaders for Windows
> http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php - for Forte
> http://www.mozilla.org (Thunderbird does newsgroups)
> http://gravity.tbates.org/
>
> -------------------------------------
>
>
>


From: Simon on 17 Dec 2007 14:24
Chad,
that was two from the server and not also one from the client.
Also - no need to blank the physical address, doesn't mean a thing
outside the lan.
simon
Chad Kramer wrote:
> gpupdate/ force on the client I'm working from now asks to log off -
> choosing Yes and logging back in, then running rsop.msc shows the same
> errors.
> The other error in relation to the GP app 1054/Userenv is 5719/NETLOGON in
> the system log. Odd thing is once I log in the network is available, but the
> GPO's never get applied.
>
> Server ipconfig:
> Windows IP Configuration
>
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : server1
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Lako.local
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Lako.local
>
> Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 MT Network
> Connection
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.0.0.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.254
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
>
> Client ipconfig:
>
> Windows IP Configuration
>
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : server1
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Lako.local
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Lako.local
>
> Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 MT Network
> Connection
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxxxxxxxxxx
> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.0.0.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.254
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
>
> Thanks a ton for the info on newsgroups, it was just another one of those
> things I've been trying to get to but didn't have the time or help.
>
> I really appreciate you working so diligently on this issue,
>
> Chad
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwench(a)heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23UcxEdNQIHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> ckramer7070(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Yes the SBS box is the DHCP. All clients are connected to the server
>>> and are receiving an IP.
>>>
>>> I have run rsop.msc on the clients in question, the error report shows
>>> Group Policy cannot be applied (cannot find the domain controller) -
>>> after forcing the GP and logging the clients OFF/ON the errors are
>>> cleared. This scenario helps in the short-term but these clients never
>>> end up with the GP sticking after a week or two - could be due to
>>> reboots from updates.
>>>
>>> I have not tried using the UPHC clean up yet - I will apply this to
>>> the problem computers and let you know how it works out.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Chad
>> What about gpupdate /force?
>> Any other event log errors?
>> An ipconfig /all from the client & the server might help.
>>
>> Also -
>>
>> When you reply, please don't snip out all the quoted text, or nobody can
>> follow the thread. I see that you're using Google Groups to access this
>> newsgroup. Google Groups is great for searching historical posts, but is
>> not the best way to use usenet. I suggest you try using a news client,
>> such as Forte Agent, Thunderbird, or even Outlook Express, instead. It's
>> a lot easier to do nearly everything that way. You can mark messages to be
>> watched, filter the views so you can see replies to your posts easily,
>> etc.
>>
>> The Microsoft public news server is msnews.microsoft.com and you can
>> subscribe to as many groups as you like; no authentication is required.
>>
>> The following is from a post by MVP Malke ...
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Here's information on Usenet and using a newsreader:
>>
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page3.html#12-09-02 - a brief
>> explanation of newsgroups
>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlo...ssnewreader.htm
>> http://rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm
>> http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...wto/default.asp
>> - Set Up Newsreader
>>
>> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>> http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
>> microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your newsreader is
>> working properly
>> http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm - how to munge email address
>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting vs.
>> crossposting
>>
>> Some newsreaders for Windows
>> http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php - for Forte
>> http://www.mozilla.org (Thunderbird does newsgroups)
>> http://gravity.tbates.org/
>>
>> -------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>
>
From: Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] on 17 Dec 2007 14:05
ckramer7070(a)gmail.com wrote:
> Yes, all the workstations are on the same unit.
>
> I have tested the UPHC on one of the problematic clients - it did not
> resolve the GP issue. This particular client is wireless and will not
> get GP applied no matter what I try (forcing - gpupdate) most others
> (not wireless) will apply after a force but won't stick for long.
>
> Here is the error info from rsop:
>
> Group Policy Infrastructure failed due to the error listed below.
> The specified domain either does not exist or could not be contacted.
>
> Note: Due to the GP Core failure, none of the other Group Policy
> components processed their policy. Consequently, status information
> for the other components
>
> Anything else I could try? I have run network test utilities and
> changed the time to apply the GPO's but neither has lead me to a
> solution.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Chad

Make sure you've got "Always wait for network & startup & logon" enabled via
GPO for *all* your workstations, wired or wireless.


From: Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] on 17 Dec 2007 14:11
Chad Kramer <ckramer7070(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> gpupdate/ force on the client I'm working from now asks to log off -
> choosing Yes and logging back in, then running rsop.msc shows the same
> errors.

> The other error in relation to the GP app 1054/Userenv is
> 5719/NETLOGON in the system log.

I don't remember what that is & am lazy - can you post the full error?

> Odd thing is once I log in the
> network is available, but the GPO's never get applied.

For one thing, make sure you've got "always wait for network on startup &
login" applied to all your workstations (not servers) via GPO. I think it's
critical & have no idea why it's not in there by default.

http://www.boyce.us/gp/gpcontent.asp?ID=39
>
> Server ipconfig:
> Windows IP Configuration
>
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : server1
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Lako.local
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Lako.local
>
> Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 MT Network
> Connection
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Well, thank goodness you masked the MAC addresses. I was planning on
breaking into your network & planting a lot of illicit photos of underaged
gerbils in your boss' user folder. ;-)
Seriously, there's no need to hide this info. Nobody can do anything with
it.


> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.0.0.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.254
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
>
> Client ipconfig:
>
> Windows IP Configuration
>
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : server1
> Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Lako.local
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
> IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
> DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Lako.local
>
> Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:
>
> Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/1000 MT Network
> Connection
> Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : xxxxxxxxxxx
> DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
> IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1
> Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.0.0.0
> Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.254
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.0.0.1

That all looks just fine.
>
> Thanks a ton for the info on newsgroups, it was just another one of
> those things I've been trying to get to but didn't have the time or
> help.

No problem; I completely understand.
>
> I really appreciate you working so diligently on this issue,

Heck, it's nothing. Hope this helps.
>
> Chad
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <lanwench(a)heybuddy.donotsendme.unsolicitedmailatyahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:%23UcxEdNQIHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> ckramer7070(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Yes the SBS box is the DHCP. All clients are connected to the server
>>> and are receiving an IP.
>>>
>>> I have run rsop.msc on the clients in question, the error report
>>> shows Group Policy cannot be applied (cannot find the domain
>>> controller) - after forcing the GP and logging the clients OFF/ON
>>> the errors are cleared. This scenario helps in the short-term but
>>> these clients never end up with the GP sticking after a week or two
>>> - could be due to reboots from updates.
>>>
>>> I have not tried using the UPHC clean up yet - I will apply this to
>>> the problem computers and let you know how it works out.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Chad
>>
>> What about gpupdate /force?
>> Any other event log errors?
>> An ipconfig /all from the client & the server might help.
>>
>> Also -
>>
>> When you reply, please don't snip out all the quoted text, or nobody
>> can follow the thread. I see that you're using Google Groups to
>> access this newsgroup. Google Groups is great for searching
>> historical posts, but is not the best way to use usenet. I suggest
>> you try using a news client, such as Forte Agent, Thunderbird, or
>> even Outlook Express, instead. It's a lot easier to do nearly
>> everything that way. You can mark messages to be watched, filter the
>> views so you can see replies to your posts easily, etc.
>>
>> The Microsoft public news server is msnews.microsoft.com and you can
>> subscribe to as many groups as you like; no authentication is
>> required. The following is from a post by MVP Malke ...
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Here's information on Usenet and using a newsreader:
>>
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page3.html#12-09-02 - a brief
>> explanation of newsgroups
>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlo...ssnewreader.htm
>> http://rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm
>> http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...wto/default.asp
>> - Set Up Newsreader
>>
>> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>> http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
>> microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your newsreader is
>> working properly
>> http://www.mailmsg.com/SPAM_munging.htm - how to munge email address
>> http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting vs.
>> crossposting
>>
>> Some newsreaders for Windows
>> http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php - for Forte
>> http://www.mozilla.org (Thunderbird does newsgroups)
>> http://gravity.tbates.org/
>>
>> -------------------------------------



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