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From: nospam on 16 Jan 2010 00:16
In article
<0b78f690-ddc0-4681-a762-61f8ba7c2508(a)a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Lao
Ming <laomingliu(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> > > he's right. office 2004 was powerpc only. one of office 2008's major
> > > points was that it would be universal, and your link shows exactly
> > > that.
> >
> > Is it possible that you would have some older "plug ins" that are PPC
> > only and when you invoke the Intel Word, when it tries to load those
> > plug ins, the OS intervenes and starts up Rosetta or prompts to install
> > Rosetta ?
>
> I never got to the applications themselves. I stopped the moment that
> the installer said I needed Rosetta.

installing rosetta is no big deal. it's tiny and you never know when
you might need it again.

in any event, only the original office 2008 dvds require it. the issue
has been fixed.

here's more info and how to patch it:
<http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=m
icrosoft.public.mac.office&tid=663f4a06-a884-4a24-a86f-624c06c57254&cat=
&lang=&cr=&sloc=&p=1>

Users with the original DVDs will need Rosetta to launch the Microsoft
AutoUpdater (MAU) to update. After that Rosetta is not required for
Office 2008. All users with the DVDs that come with 12.1.0 don't have
this issue.
From: Lao Ming on 16 Jan 2010 00:20
On Jan 15, 7:01 pm, Michelle Steiner <miche...(a)michelle.org> wrote:
> In article
> <834dc64c-8c22-448e-bcf0-cbe47bef6...(a)r19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>  Lao Ming <laoming...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't one of the major points of 10.6 to
> > remove the PPC code?
>
> You're wrong.  10.6 made Rosetta an optional install, though.

So you're saying removing PPC code was not the point of 10.6? What,
then, was -- in your view? You sure like to be authoritative when all
we're discussing is an opinion.

>
> > And wasn't one of the major points of Office 2008 that it would be
> > written for Intel?
>
> Nope:

Nope? If an app is universal, should 10.6 care if it has PPC code that
is not executed? I would think that the PPC code of a universal
binary might as well be empty sectors on an Intel disk. (another
opinion, btw).

Lastly, exactly what benefits did you derive from 2008 over 2004
then? Me none. And while I'm not a big user, I have been using Word
& Excel for over 20 years. Maybe it's not important to you but I'm
looking for the spinning beach ball to become a distant memory at some
point. Apple seems to never make this a priority.


> <http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/Office2008/system-requirements....>
>
> System Requirements for
> Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac Standalone Applications (Word, Excel, and
> PowerPoint)
> To run Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac Standalone Applications, your computer
> must meet the following requirements:
> € A Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (500 MHz or
> faster) processor
> € Mac OS X version 10.4.9 or later

This doesn't say anything I didn't already know.


From: Lao Ming on 16 Jan 2010 00:22
On Jan 15, 9:16 pm, nospam <nos...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <0b78f690-ddc0-4681-a762-61f8ba7c2...(a)a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, Lao
>
> Ming <laoming...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > he's right. office 2004 was powerpc only. one of office 2008's major
> > > > points was that it would be universal, and your link shows exactly
> > > > that.
>
> > > Is it possible that you would have some older "plug ins" that are PPC
> > > only and when you invoke the Intel Word, when it tries to load those
> > > plug ins, the OS intervenes and starts up Rosetta or prompts to install
> > > Rosetta ?
>
> > I never got to the applications themselves.  I stopped the moment that
> > the installer said I needed Rosetta.
>
> installing rosetta is no big deal. it's tiny and you never know when
> you might need it again.
>
> in any event, only the original office 2008 dvds require it. the issue
> has been fixed.
>
> here's more info and how to patch it:
> <http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=m
> icrosoft.public.mac.office&tid=663f4a06-a884-4a24-a86f-624c06c57254&cat=
> &lang=&cr=&sloc=&p=1>
>
>  Users with the original DVDs will need Rosetta to launch the Microsoft
>  AutoUpdater (MAU) to update. After that Rosetta is not required for
>  Office 2008. All users with the DVDs that come with 12.1.0 don't have
>  this issue.

Thanks. This is what I needed to know. Have a great weekend.
From: Larry Gusaas on 16 Jan 2010 00:34
On 2010/01/15 10:23 PM Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article<150120101937045104%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>,
> nospam<nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>>> And wasn't one of the major points of Office 2008 that it would be
>>>> written for Intel?
>>>>
>>> Nope:
>>>
>> he's right. office 2004 was powerpc only. one of office 2008's major
>> points was that it would be universal, and your link shows exactly that.
>>
> How does the link show that it is universal?
>
> It says it runs on Intel processors, with Mac OS 10.4.9 or later. *ANY*
> application that's Mac OS X native will run under Mac OS 10.4.4 or later,
> if Rosetta is installed; it doesn't have to be written for Intel.
>

Listing an Intel Mac in system requirements implies it is written for Intel
Listing Mac OS X 10.4.9 or later confirms it is universal, since Snow
Leopard does not install Rosetta.

In fact, all applications in M$ Office 2008 are universal applications.
They all run on Snow Leopard without Rosetta installed.

--
Larry I. Gusaas
Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - Edgard Varese

From: Steve Hix on 16 Jan 2010 01:26
In article
<834dc64c-8c22-448e-bcf0-cbe47bef64bd(a)r19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Lao Ming <laomingliu(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> I just recently upgraded to 10.6 and discovered that I cannot install
> Office 2008 without installing Rosetta. Correct me if I am wrong but
> wasn't one of the major points of 10.6 to remove the PPC code? And
> wasn't one of the major points of Office 2008 that it would be written
> for Intel? So why would Microsoft be so brilliant to then write the
> installer to be a PPC app?

Less work for them.
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