From: Jim Yanik on
"TheM" <DontNeedSpam(a)test.com> wrote in
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> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> wrote in message
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>>
>> What DUMBASS solders on circuits that are energized? How safe is
>> that?
>>
>> --
>> Jim Yanik
>
> I do sometimes, of course only when you know what you're doing and
> circuits are powered from low DC. I agree 99% of the time it is
> stupid.
>
> M
>
>
>

even "low voltage" can have a lot of current behind it.
short the wrong thing,and you've burned out a PCB trace,maybe an inner
layer trace that's hard to spot. Or burned out an IC from the current you
shunted thru it.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com
From: ian field on

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:48:12 -0000, "ian field"
> <gangprobing.alien(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>>message news:867mn5dvefiov77c2rti5ka57pppi1igc5(a)4ax.com...
>>>I have an absolutely ancient Weller WTCPN soldering station that is
>>> disintegrating... it's probably at least 33 years old.
>>>
>>> I don't have any need for surface mount sophistication.
>>>
>>> What are people's thoughts on a cheapy replacement such as...
>>
>>Since Weller became Cooper Tools, the bean counters took over the asylum -
>>they cut corners on manufacturing and reliability went down the gurgler.
>>
>>When my last Weller fell to bits I bought an Antex 25W iron as a stop gap,
>>and have been using Antex ever since.
>>
>>I did treat myself to a 50W Antex TC iron but TBH I don't see much
>>advantage
>>over the standard X25.
>>
>
> The Metcals are the best irons. The SP200 system is about $290. They
> warm up in seconds and have impressive heat control.
>
> John
>

He said "cheapy replacement", the Antex irons are cheap as chips and last
for years.


From: Spehro Pefhany on
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:34:33 +0530, "pimpom" <pimpom(a)invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Oppie wrote:
>> "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Paul(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote in message
>> news:4B7B4399.FB3E97AE(a)Hovnanian.com...
>>>
>>> I was just trying to solve the Zen puzzle of how one would fix
>>> a
>>> soldering station with itself.
>>>
>>
>> Sort of like when your reading glasses break, how can you see
>> to fix
>> them...
>Some people have backup glasses (I do).

Those of us who are myopic just get closer (though there are limits,
especially when cutting, grinding, soldering etc.)

> Some people have backup
>soldering irons (I have a $3 non-temperature controlled piece
>that I'm quite skilled with).

I could even dig up an old, essentially unused, Weller soldering gun
if I had to. Or a fairly decent butane powered soldering iron.


From: Ian on

"ian field" <gangprobing.alien(a)ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:7lTen.7291$IC.3130(a)newsfe13.ams2...
>
> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
> message news:867mn5dvefiov77c2rti5ka57pppi1igc5(a)4ax.com...
>>I have an absolutely ancient Weller WTCPN soldering station that is
>> disintegrating... it's probably at least 33 years old.
>>
>> I don't have any need for surface mount sophistication.
>>
>> What are people's thoughts on a cheapy replacement such as...
>
> Since Weller became Cooper Tools, the bean counters took over the asylum -
> they cut corners on manufacturing and reliability went down the gurgler.
>
> When my last Weller fell to bits I bought an Antex 25W iron as a stop gap,
> and have been using Antex ever since.
>
> I did treat myself to a 50W Antex TC iron but TBH I don't see much
> advantage over the standard X25.
>
Interesting - Antex used to be rubbish many years ago, Wellers were far
better.

Ian

From: Spehro Pefhany on
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:10:56 -0600, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov>
wrote:

>"TheM" <DontNeedSpam(a)test.com> wrote in
>news:4kTen.1392$UU2.120955(a)news.siol.net:
>
>> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D22580715F5Ejyaniklocalnetcom(a)216.168.3.44...
>
>>>
>>> What DUMBASS solders on circuits that are energized? How safe is
>>> that?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jim Yanik
>>
>> I do sometimes, of course only when you know what you're doing and
>> circuits are powered from low DC. I agree 99% of the time it is
>> stupid.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>>
>
>even "low voltage" can have a lot of current behind it.
>short the wrong thing,and you've burned out a PCB trace,maybe an inner
>layer trace that's hard to spot. Or burned out an IC from the current you
>shunted thru it.

That's why we tell techs not to do it, but rules are made to be
broken...