Some Contradictory Claims of SR. [Physics]

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From: Michael Moroney on 22 Jul 2010 11:21

kenseto <kenseto(a)erinet.com> writes:

>On Jul 21, 1:38 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
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>> kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> writes:

>> > These are two different instants of
>> >time....
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>> One instant. When the tip strikes the bug.

>No two instants of time when the tip hits the bug.

The tip hits the bug exactly once. One instance of time.

>> >what this mean is that SR predicts that the bug dies at two
>> >different instants of time.
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>> So how are you coming along at describing an SR frame where the bug dies
>> twice? You can't do it, can you. Hint: There is no such frame.

>Hey idiot why would any one frame say that the bug die twice?

Because you claim SR claims the bug dies twice! For this to be true,
there has to be at least one reference frame where the bug dies twice.
Show it to us!

> But SR
>does predict that the tip of the rivet hit the bug at two different
>instants of time. No matter how you spin it that's what SR predicts.

Once again, in which frame is this true?

From: kenseto on 23 Jul 2010 08:43

On Jul 22, 10:46 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 8:32 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Sorry, Ken, you don't get to decide what "physical" means. >Physicists do. It really doesn't matter whether you find these >definitions
> > > > > laughable or not. You either learn them, and use the terms as
> > > > > physicists do, or you give up on communicating with physicists.
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> > > > ROTFLOL....you want to use the word physical to have different
> > > > meanings as follows:
> > > > 1. Physical contraction can mean real material shrinkage such that the
> > > > tip of the rivet will crush the bug to death at a later time than if
> > > > there is no material shrinkage.
> > > > 2. Physical contraction can mean that no real material shrinkage...it
> > > > is a geometric projection effect. this kind of shrinkage will not
> > > > affect when the tip of the rivet hits the bug.
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> > > Yes. Physical encompasses both kinds of effects.
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> > ROTFLOL....so that means that "physical contraction" is an
> > epicycle.
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> What do you think "epicycle" means, Ken? You've just used another word
> and you have no idea what it means.

It is you who don't know what the word epicycle mean....it mean an add
on to a theory that encounters observation problems. That's exactly
what the term "physical contraction" does when you insisted that it
means both material contraction and geometric projection effect.
Similarly the rubber ruler is an epicycle because it is an add on to
SR to maintain the constancy of the speed of light.

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> >..it is added on by indoctrinated runts of the SRians such as
> > yourself to propagate the myth to the public that a meter stick is
> > shorter when it is in relative motion wrt an observer.
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> No, it's not added on.

Yes it is an added on.

Ken Seto

>It's ALWAYS meant that. It meant that centuries
> before you were born. You just never knew what "physical" meant.
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> > You SRians are good at inventing things that has different meanings.
> > Another example of epicycle invented for SR is the rubber meter stick
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> > 1 meter=1/299,792,458 light-second.
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From: kenseto on 23 Jul 2010 09:03

On Jul 22, 10:57 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 21, 10:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 21, 9:38 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 19, 11:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 17, 11:44 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Jul 15, 12:06 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
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> > > > > > > kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> writes:
> > > > > > > >On Jul 14, 2:11 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
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> > > > > > > >> kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> writes:
> > > > > > > >> >Hey idiot....before and after are two different instants of time and
> > > > > > > >> >this fact is not observer depedent.
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> > > > > > > >> It is observer dependent.
> > > > > > > >No idiot...it is not observer dependent. Every observer will agree
> > > > > > > >that before the head of the rivet hit the wall and after the head of
> > > > > > > >the rivet hit the wall are two different instants of time.....the
> > > > > > > >before occurs first and the after occurs later.
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> > > > > > > It is observer dependent - the two events (rivet tip hitting the bug and
> > > > > > > the rivet head hitting the wall) are what SR calls spatially separated.
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> > > > > > Hey idiot SR predicts the bug dies at two instants of time... before
> > > > > > and after the head of the rivet hits the wall of the hole.
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> > > > > No, it says it dies at ONE instant. But one observer says it dies
> > > > > before, the other says it dies after. Neither observer says it dies
> > > > > both before and after.
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> > > > If there is real physical/material length contraction, SR does predict
> > > > that the bug dies at two different instants of time.
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> > > Physical does not mean material. You keep making that mistake.
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> > But you said in the previous post that physical can mean material....
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> Can yes, in some cases. Not all cases.

There is no point of arguing with you. You want "physical contraction"
to mean both "material contraction" and "geometric projection effect".
It seems that all you guys doing to resolve observational problem is
by adding epicycle.

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From: kenseto on 23 Jul 2010 09:17

On Jul 22, 11:11 am, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
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> kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> writes:
> >On Jul 21, 1:13 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
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> >> kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> writes:
> >> >Hey idiot....if there is real length contraction SR does predict that
> >> >the bug dies at two different instants of time. You are so stupid.
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> >> Once again, show me an SR frame where the bug dies twice and I'll
> >> believe your claim that the bug dies at two different instants of time..
> >> You can't. There is no such frame. Yet you repeat your lie over and over
> >> again that "SR predicts the bug dies at two different instants of time.."
> >Hey idiot....SR does predict that the bug dies before the head of the
> >rivet hits the wall and also predicts that it dies after the head of
> >the rivet hit the wall.
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> SHOW ME THE FRAME WHERE THE BUG DIES TWICE, BEFORE AND AFTER THE HEAD HITS
> THE WALL!!!!!

Hey idiot....why would any one observer claims that the bug dies
before and after the head of the rivet hits the wall of the hole????
The hole observer claims that the bug dies after the head of the rivet
hits the wall of the hole. The rivet observer claims that the bug dies
before the head of the rivet hits the wall of the hole. These are two
different instants of time.
SR predicts that the bug dies before and after the head of the rivet
hits the wall of the hole due to material length contraction. If
length contraction is merely a geometric projection effect then the
bug dies only once...that is when the tip of the rivet hits it. But
your SR brother and you maintained that length contraction in SR is
both material and geometric projection effect. That's what give rise
to the paradox.

Ken Seto

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> You can't, because there is no such frame. Yet you repeat the lie that
> SR predicts the bug dies twice over and over again.

From: kenseto on 23 Jul 2010 09:19

On Jul 22, 11:14 am, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
wrote:
> kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> writes:
> >On Jul 21, 1:45 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
> >wrote:
> >> kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> writes:
> >> >The problem is that SR predicts that in the rivet
> >> >frame the tip of the rivet hits the bug before the head of the rivet
> >> >hits the wall of the hole.....and at the same time SR predicts that
> >> >in
> >> >the hole frame the tip of the rivet hits the bug after the head of
> >> >the
> >> >rivet hits the wall of the hole. These are two different instants of
> >> >time....what this mean is that SR predicts that the bug dies at two
> >> >different instants of time.
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> >> In which frame is this true? The hole frame? (Nope, the head strikes
> >> first.) The rivet frame? (Nope, the tip strikes first.) Some other
> >> frame? (Which one?)
> >Hey idiot....if there is length contraction as asserted by SR then the
> >bug dies at two different instants of time.
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> You didn't answer the question. In which frame does the bug die at
> two instances of time? You repeatedly claim this, but you won't
> point out a frame where this is true.

Hey idiot....why would any one observer claims that the bug dies
before and after the head of the rivet hit the wall??? It is SR that
makes these predictions.

Ken Seto

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