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From: Painius on 29 Mar 2010 22:36
"HVAC" <mr.hvac(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "dmaster" <dan.woj(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> On Mar 24, 2:11 pm, "HVAC" <mr.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>>
>> Well, I tell ya what... Get back to me whan that superluminal
>> particle is discovered. And please... Don't even mention tachyons.
>>
> ...
>
> Were it ever to happen, you'd probably read about it before I did. I
> don't see any reason to expect that we will ever discover a
> superluminal particle.
>
> And an obligatory return to the point of alt.alien.visitors: that's
> the biggest reason to be really sceptical anytime someone claims to
> have seen an extraterrestrial craft. The universe is big; really
> big. And things are far apart; really far apart.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Exaxtly. In the book 'Rare Earth', Brownlee and Ward
> also point out how special our planet is is so many
> ways as well.
>
> Microbial life is most likely VERY widespread, they
> argue, but complex life forms are incredibly difficult
> to evolve due to a wide variety of reasons.
>
> The bottom line. We are and always have been alone
> on our planet.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

That's not the bottom line. This is just a gentle little
reminder that the bottom line is that we still don't know.

This is the interesting part for me... we all create our
own "bottom lines" based, not upon what is known, not
upon "fact", but instead upon our own wants and needs.
Some people want there to be a God, so *poof*! They
have a God. Some people want to be "visited", so again
*poof*! They accept hearsay and faked evidence and
off they go thinking the fleet is due anytime.

And some people are independent and feel that they
don't need such things as spirits and advanced alien
civilizations to go on with their lives. It's also very very
important to these people not to see themselves (or be
seen by others) as "kooky". So *poof*! They stand
firm spreading their own brand of "bottom lines" all
around.

It's like i've said many times before, whether we are
for or against God, whether we are for or against alien
intelligent societies, we always weave our discoveries
of reality together with our beliefs into a beautiful
tapestry to hang on our wall, or a splendid set of
wearing apparel to hide our bare, naked insecurities.

Death to all who would try to make us believe
otherwise. A curse on all who believe differently than
we do. We would rather die than change our minds,
even in the face of stark reality. Dying is so much
easier than accepting a truth that would change our
minds.

Well, at least we all have *something* in common...
Our steadfast, stubborn natures.

I drive a stake through the
Heart of the Vampyre,
The toothy creature rises again.

I ope the curtains and
Let in the Sunlight,
No matter, for I still get it in the nape.

O! how does one rid the mind
Of such a bloodthirsty beast?
We do not, I fear, for we are all fated
To become Vampyres ourselves.

__________________________________________


happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: "Nothing is too wonderful to be true if it be
consistent with the laws of nature."
> Michael Faraday

P.P.S.: http://Astronomy.painellsworth.net
http://PoisonFalls.painellsworth.net
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth


From: Double-A on 31 Mar 2010 15:28
On Mar 31, 3:54 am, "HVAC" <mr.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "Painius" <starswirlern...(a)maol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4bb28119$0$31017$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> There is a grand total of ZERO evidence that
> >> any aliens have ever visited the earth. Belief
> >> without evidence is religion.
>
> >       $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>
> > Two things to remember as you spout your absolutist
> > thoughts... 1) There actually *is* evidence that you
> > either close your eyes to or simply do not accept.  The
> > evidence that exists can in no way, shape or form be
> > construed to be "hard evidence"; however, if there
> > were no "soft evidence", then there would not be any
> > sheepish believers.
>
> > and 2) It is true that "belief without evidence", that
> > which must be taken upon faith and faith alone, "is
> > religion".  However, not all believers take their ideas
> > as being "non-evidence based".  You, for example.
> > You believe that there was a "Big Bang" beginning of
> > the Universe.  While the prevailing evidence strongly
> > suggests that your "belief" is true, this in itself does
> > not mean that you are any less "religious" about the
> > belief that the Universe must have formed from...
>
> >                           N O T H I N G
>
> > To prove me wrong, you will have to define "nothing".
> > No one has ever been able to do this to my satisfaction.
> > So, good luck with that.
>
> You start with a false premise and expect me to defend it?
>
> This is a classic strawman.
>
> The bottom line is that the universe did NOT start from
> 'nothing' and I have NEVER stated it did.
>
> The universe started from a singularity, from which came
> everything that now exists. All space, all time and all energy.


A singularity contains nothing, because there is no space in a
singularity for anything to exist.

Double-A


From: HVAC on 1 Apr 2010 04:45

"Double-A" <double-a3(a)hush.com> wrote in message
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>
> The universe started from a singularity, from which came
> everything that now exists. All space, all time and all energy.


A singularity contains nothing, because there is no space in a
singularity for anything to exist.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Were you drunk when you wrote that?


From: Ala on 11 Apr 2010 09:35

"HVAC" <mr.hvac(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Painius" <starswirlernosp(a)maol.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> There is a grand total of ZERO evidence that
>>> any aliens have ever visited the earth. Belief
>>> without evidence is religion.
>>
>> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>>
>> Two things to remember as you spout your absolutist
>> thoughts... 1) There actually *is* evidence that you
>> either close your eyes to or simply do not accept. The
>> evidence that exists can in no way, shape or form be
>> construed to be "hard evidence"; however, if there
>> were no "soft evidence", then there would not be any
>> sheepish believers.
>>
>> and 2) It is true that "belief without evidence", that
>> which must be taken upon faith and faith alone, "is
>> religion". However, not all believers take their ideas
>> as being "non-evidence based". You, for example.
>> You believe that there was a "Big Bang" beginning of
>> the Universe. While the prevailing evidence strongly
>> suggests that your "belief" is true, this in itself does
>> not mean that you are any less "religious" about the
>> belief that the Universe must have formed from...
>>
>> N O T H I N G
>>
>> To prove me wrong, you will have to define "nothing".
>> No one has ever been able to do this to my satisfaction.
>> So, good luck with that.
>
>
> You start with a false premise and expect me to defend it?
>
> This is a classic strawman.
>
> The bottom line is that the universe did NOT start from
> 'nothing' and I have NEVER stated it did.
>
> The universe started from a singularity, from which came
> everything that now exists. All space, all time and all energy.
>
>

It was a pleasure to attend. I would not have missed it for nothing.

Did you furniture arrive?

From: Brad Guth on 11 Apr 2010 12:06
On Apr 11, 6:35 am, "Ala" <alackr...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> "HVAC" <mr.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hov9l6$a77$1(a)hvac.motzarella.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Painius" <starswirlern...(a)maol.com> wrote in message
> >news:4bb28119$0$31017$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
> >>> There is a grand total of ZERO evidence that
> >>> any aliens have ever visited the earth. Belief
> >>> without evidence is religion.
>
> >>       $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>
> >> Two things to remember as you spout your absolutist
> >> thoughts... 1) There actually *is* evidence that you
> >> either close your eyes to or simply do not accept.  The
> >> evidence that exists can in no way, shape or form be
> >> construed to be "hard evidence"; however, if there
> >> were no "soft evidence", then there would not be any
> >> sheepish believers.
>
> >> and 2) It is true that "belief without evidence", that
> >> which must be taken upon faith and faith alone, "is
> >> religion".  However, not all believers take their ideas
> >> as being "non-evidence based".  You, for example.
> >> You believe that there was a "Big Bang" beginning of
> >> the Universe.  While the prevailing evidence strongly
> >> suggests that your "belief" is true, this in itself does
> >> not mean that you are any less "religious" about the
> >> belief that the Universe must have formed from...
>
> >>                           N O T H I N G
>
> >> To prove me wrong, you will have to define "nothing".
> >> No one has ever been able to do this to my satisfaction.
> >> So, good luck with that.
>
> > You start with a false premise and expect me to defend it?
>
> > This is a classic strawman.
>
> > The bottom line is that the universe did NOT start from
> > 'nothing' and I have NEVER stated it did.
>
> > The universe started from a singularity, from which came
> > everything that now exists. All space, all time and all energy.
>
> It was a pleasure to attend.  I would not have missed it for nothing.
>
> Did you furniture arrive?

So why did your HVAC approved god(s) screw up?

~ BG
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