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From: J. Clarke on 20 Jan 2010 21:45 Robert Clark wrote: > On Jan 20, 5:31 pm, Pat Flannery <flan...(a)daktel.com> wrote: >> Robert Clark wrote: >>> Where would space shuttle land at Wright-Patt? >> >> Jeeze, I don't know...maybe on its runway? >> It's a Air Force base, and those tend to have >> runways:http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/GEO_Wright-Patterson_AFB_l... >> >> Pat > > Perhaps I should have quoted more of the article. The question in the > article being debated between the Air Force and NASA was whether the > runway was long enough for the 747 carrier plane for the shuttle. I don't know if you are familiar with the Air Force Museum. If you go to Google Earth and find "Wright Patterson" and follow the line of the main runway about 3 miles southwest you'll find a triangular arrangement of taxiways and runways, with the southermost of them marked with "X"s--the buildings on the western leg of that triangle are the museum. It does not have easy access to the 12,000 foot main runways at Wright Patterson and instead has its own 7,000 foot runway. Aircraft that cannot land on the museum's runway have to be towed by street from the WPAFB runway to the museum. This was, for example, done with the B-70. It's usually a big deal because the streets were not really planned to allow it and it usually involves relocating or removing poles, signs, overhead wires, and all sorts of other stuff.
From: Pat Flannery on 21 Jan 2010 03:11 Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote: > "Pat Flannery" <flanner(a)daktel.com> wrote in message > news:_oOdnQlBW-9l-srWnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d(a)posted.northdakotatelephone... >> Robert Clark wrote: >>> Where would space shuttle land at Wright-Patt? >> Jeeze, I don't know...maybe on its runway? >> It's a Air Force base, and those tend to have runways: >> http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/GEO_Wright-Patterson_AFB_lg.jpg >> >> Pat > > Now Pat, that's not fair, confusing Robert with facts like that. There's even a runway right by the museum, but I don't know if it's big enough to land a 747 on. Did they put the B-70 indoors? It's not on the Google Earth image of the museum. Pat
From: Pat Flannery on 21 Jan 2010 03:55 Fred J. McCall wrote: > The SCA with a Shuttle on board only has a range of 1,000 miles. We've > had Shuttles carried across the country. The SCA is landing SOMEWHERE > several times during that trip in order to take on more fuel. > > Hint: There are damned few runways much longer than 13,000 feet, > except those intended for the Shuttle itself returning from orbit. There's figures on landing distance for several models of 747's here: http://www.narita-airport.or.jp/ais/e/model/747.html Pat
From: J. Clarke on 21 Jan 2010 01:44 Pat Flannery wrote: > Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote: >> "Pat Flannery" <flanner(a)daktel.com> wrote in message >> news:_oOdnQlBW-9l-srWnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d(a)posted.northdakotatelephone... >>> Robert Clark wrote: >>>> Where would space shuttle land at Wright-Patt? >>> Jeeze, I don't know...maybe on its runway? >>> It's a Air Force base, and those tend to have runways: >>> http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/GEO_Wright-Patterson_AFB_lg.jpg >>> >>> Pat >> >> Now Pat, that's not fair, confusing Robert with facts like that. > > There's even a runway right by the museum, but I don't know if it's > big enough to land a 747 on. > Did they put the B-70 indoors? It's not on the Google Earth image of > the museum. They moved it indoors in 2004 IIRC.
From: Jeff Findley on 21 Jan 2010 09:36
"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:hj8fvk01o6v(a)news5.newsguy.com... > Robert Clark wrote: >> On Jan 20, 5:31 pm, Pat Flannery <flan...(a)daktel.com> wrote: >>> Robert Clark wrote: >>>> Where would space shuttle land at Wright-Patt? >>> >>> Jeeze, I don't know...maybe on its runway? >>> It's a Air Force base, and those tend to have >>> runways:http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/GEO_Wright-Patterson_AFB_l... >>> >>> Pat >> >> Perhaps I should have quoted more of the article. The question in the >> article being debated between the Air Force and NASA was whether the >> runway was long enough for the 747 carrier plane for the shuttle. > > I don't know if you are familiar with the Air Force Museum. If you go to > Google Earth and find "Wright Patterson" and follow the line of the main > runway about 3 miles southwest you'll find a triangular arrangement of > taxiways and runways, with the southermost of them marked with "X"s--the > buildings on the western leg of that triangle are the museum. It does not > have easy access to the 12,000 foot main runways at Wright Patterson and > instead has its own 7,000 foot runway. Aircraft that cannot land on the > museum's runway have to be towed by street from the WPAFB runway to the > museum. This was, for example, done with the B-70. It's usually a big > deal > because the streets were not really planned to allow it and it usually > involves relocating or removing poles, signs, overhead wires, and all > sorts > of other stuff. I have no doubt that if they do get a shuttle, they'll go through the trouble of this just to get it into the museum proper. There is plenty of land available for further museum hangars. One is already planned for the other side of the Space Missiles gallery. Worst case scenario, I'd expect the shuttle to sit in a hangar on the base, just like the Presidential Aircraft hangar and the Experimental Aircraft hangar. The downside to this is that visitors must sign up for the bus ride to those hangars. Since 9/11, they don't allow you to drive yourself to those hangars which are actually on the base. Jeff -- "Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National Lampoon |