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From: Jon Kirwan on 25 Oct 2009 07:44 On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:54:10 +0000, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >In message <o1n6e5hdjdj9j7etemufal9s0d8f9h9dl1(a)4ax.com>, Jon Kirwan ><jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> writes >>On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:04:32 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>wrote: >> >>>In message <T4KdnXOGUPe8Sn_XnZ2dnUVZ8ludnZ2d(a)lyse.net>, David Brown >>><david.brown(a)hesbynett.removethisbit.no> writes >>>>Chris H wrote: >>>>> In message <hbt1hj$411$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Cesar Rabak >>>>> <csrabak(a)bol.com.br> writes >>>>>> Dan Henry escreveu: >>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:53:35 +1100, "Marc Hillman" >>>>>>> <7owsx1j02(a)sneakemail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm looking for a Statechart (Harel) tool that supports C code >>>>>>>> generation, and is free (not trial copies). Any suggestions? >>>>>>> IAR's visualSTATE http://www.iar.com/vs >>>>>>> >>>>>> But it is not free, is it? >>>>> Nothing in this life is free. >>>>> >>>>Perhaps you should find yourself a better life? >>> >>>I have a very good life. >> >>:) >> >>>It is based in reality. >> >>Most people believe that. It's generally false. >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Species-Denial-Jeremy-Griffith/dp/1741290015 >> >>Jon > >And you Jon are a typical example apparently. I didn't say anything specifically about you, above, Chris. I gather you didn't notice. Classic case in point. The book still presents an interesting set of theories. >At least according to the people who know you. I'm just sorry to see you continue taking such a low road. >Now, where are these stats comparing Keil and SDCC you made such a bit >thing about? It was __your__ claims I spent time doubting, back then. But I don't work for you and will get to providing volunteered information when I have time to develop it, as I said a month back. >You said I was totally wrong, anything I said was false No, I've said I sadly can't take anything you say without checking on it. I think you _could_ be more helpful than you are. You simply aren't. Last month's thread, where you simply stopped short and ceased when you were caught with the wrong assumptions going into it, is such a case where you appeared to make a specific claim about SDCC and then simply shut up and said nothing more about it when asked. >and I was completely unprofessional This is your putting up a strawman so you can make a point on something I didn't say. Walter lamented about certain groups that weren't as involved in the standards process as perhaps they should be. When I learned that you were involved, and considering the fact that your make such a public display of your blinkered biases, I began to see some potential reasons why. That's your fault, not mine. I'm not writing your words for you. >and you would prove it with the help of the many friends you had... What?? Prove what? This is essentially the exchange 6 months back: >: ><Chris writing> >: >If it is a choice between SDCC and Keil Kiel wins with no question It >: >has 80% of the 8051 market. >: >: Why? >: >: SDCC has improved a great deal over the recent years and is now a >: reasonably competitive c compiler, unless you can provide some >: seriously damaging specifics. Now, if you think that is such a seriously flawed claim from me, then you might also first consider what you wrote at that time, Chris: >: ><Chris writing> >: >I agree that over the last few years SDCC has improved greatly to >: >"reasonable" It's not as though we disagreed much there. Later, in the more recent thread you and I were on, I added this note to the OP: >: You >: are definitely able to do serious projects with SDCC. If you have any >: question, google a few projects that have used it in the past with >: good success. For example, here is one I quickly found, just now: >: >: http://www.arrickrobotics.com/robomenu/adam.html I did recently take time to develop a commercial application under SDCC, as that was the better choice for business reasons I won't now argue with you, and on new hardware boards I just got back a few weeks ago -- using the SiLabs IDE. I started before the boards arrived and I just finished the first functional version, yesterday. It happens to be a fairly complex project. I've been downloading data into Excel and running various performance analyses. I must say the whole thing works excellently and that SDCC did NOT present difficulties. It appears to be a success at this time. So I seem to be in a position of speaking from personal experience developing a new commercial product using SDCC, now. Perhaps you are generating smoke where there is no fire and trying to shout "fire," anyway? >That was over 6 months ago and you have >failed to provide any evidence to back up your claims. __YOUR__ claims are the ones I asked about then (6 mos ago) and then (last month.) Get with the program, Chris. >An apology would be nice though I don't expect to get one as you live in >an altered reality. What can I say to such an insanely made, assumption-laden request? Jon
From: toby on 25 Oct 2009 12:02 On Oct 15, 5:27 pm, Cesar Rabak <csra...(a)bol.com.br> wrote: > nobody escreveu: > > > > > > > Cesar Rabak wrote: > >> Rich Webb escreveu: > > >>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:53:35 +1100, "Marc Hillman" > >>> <7owsx1...(a)sneakemail.com> wrote: > > >>>> I'm looking for a Statechart (Harel) tool that supports C code > >>>> generation, and is free (not trial copies). Any suggestions? > > >>> Rule #3: Always checkhttp://sourceforge.net > > >>> Searching on "state machine" returns several results, including > >>>http://smc.sourceforge.net/ > > >> It seems SMC does not generate Harel (hierarchical) state charts. > > > In my experience (several years of professional OO work), if you need > > hierarchical state charts, your class model is incorrect. > > >http://knol.google.com/k/leon-starr/how-to-build-articulate-uml-class... > > I think you experience does not apply here. It is possible to do the > design using only state machines and turning them in code without need > to resort to OO (be it analysis or design). OTOH, since Harel > (hierarchical) cope well with the expansion of states that "flat" state > machines have when working in real life projects. Having designed and built such a 'real life' project, I agree that the hierarchical structure is indispensable. Dr Samek's excellent book fully makes this case. > > -- > Cesar Rabak > GNU/Linux User 52247. > Get counted:http://counter.li.org/
From: Marc Hillman on 27 Oct 2009 09:11 Unfortunately it is an add-in to products I do not have - unless it works inside Visual Studio Express? "Marco" <prenom_nomus(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f3d675aa-8c7e-4207-ab93-1c1c4beadc3e(a)g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com... On Oct 15, 1:53 am, "Marc Hillman" <7owsx1...(a)sneakemail.com> wrote: > I'm looking for a Statechart (Harel) tool that supports C code generation, > and is free (not trial copies). Any suggestions? http://www.intelliwizard.com/ GPL
From: Jim Jackson on 28 Oct 2009 17:17 Cesar Rabak <csrabak(a)bol.com.br> wrote: > Marco escreveu: > > On Oct 15, 1:53 am, "Marc Hillman" <7owsx1...(a)sneakemail.com> wrote: > >> I'm looking for a Statechart (Harel) tool that supports C code generation, > >> and is free (not trial copies). Any suggestions? > > > > http://www.intelliwizard.com/ GPL > It is not GPL it is "Dual Licensing" very different!! Correct it is not GPL - BUT the software is licensed under an opensource license compatible with the GPL, hence it meets the OP's requirments of being free - in both senses of that word.
From: Cesar Rabak on 28 Oct 2009 19:40
Jim Jackson escreveu: > Cesar Rabak <csrabak(a)bol.com.br> wrote: >> Marco escreveu: >>> On Oct 15, 1:53 am, "Marc Hillman" <7owsx1...(a)sneakemail.com> wrote: >>>> I'm looking for a Statechart (Harel) tool that supports C code generation, >>>> and is free (not trial copies). Any suggestions? >>> http://www.intelliwizard.com/ GPL >> It is not GPL it is "Dual Licensing" very different!! > > Correct it is not GPL - BUT the software is licensed under an opensource > license compatible with the GPL, hence it meets the OP's requirments of > being free - in both senses of that word. > If the OP is willing to use the tool only for internal projects or Open Source projects _and_ live without documentation of the product. . . Also, note that for this type of product (essentially a code generator) this restriction on use is not the spirit nor of OSI nor GPL so /caveat emptor/. -- Cesar Rabak GNU/Linux User 52247. Get counted: http://counter.li.org/ |