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From: Jon Kirwan on 14 Jul 2010 12:49 On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:43:47 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Jon Kirwan wrote: >> I had a short discussion with him during a lunch break some >> years ago after a presentation he made here in Portland. I >> rephrased what I'd just seen him telling us as a group, but >> turning it inside out and explaining it in very different >> terms and then asked him, "So is that the upshot of what you >> just said out there?" >> >> He paused, then finally admitted, "Yes, I suppose so." The >> admission wasn't even close to the Gilded Lily version I'd >> just heard in public. > >Balmer's job is to essentially take anything that smells like rotten eggs >within Microsoft and present it, instead, as a basket full of roses. :-) > >I mean, he really is the consummate salesman. :-) Yes. No question. Irks me, though. >> I wasn't happy to have had my worst impressions so readily >> confirmed, perhaps in such a weak moment near the buffet over >> a cup of coffee. > >Hey, at least he's honest! In a rare moment. > If you had to share a room with your choise of Steve Jobs, > Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates, or Steve Ballmer, how would you > order them? Bill Gates first -- too much shared history, likely too much shared experience "back in the day" and too much in common in the future, as well... Besides, I have a very serious proposal I'd like to make to the Gates Foundation, so that would easily be my first choice. Steve Ballmer would be at the bottom -- we share nothing in our world views and I have nothing to share with him. So The Woz would be second. Only one second to order them. Jon
From: Jan Panteltje on 14 Jul 2010 13:13 On a sunny day (Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:10:50 -0700) it happened Jon Kirwan <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote in <6tmr36lhgd1m8eg6k1k8jrloanskloqr49(a)4ax.com>: >On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:17:08 GMT, Jan Panteltje ><pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >><snip> >>Balmer should be locked up for that. >><snip> > >Balmer should be locked up, but not for that. ;) > >I had a short discussion with him during a lunch break some >years ago after a presentation he made here in Portland. I >rephrased what I'd just seen him telling us as a group, but >turning it inside out and explaining it in very different >terms and then asked him, "So is that the upshot of what you >just said out there?" > >He paused, then finally admitted, "Yes, I suppose so." The >admission wasn't even close to the Gilded Lily version I'd >just heard in public. > >I wasn't happy to have had my worst impressions so readily >confirmed, perhaps in such a weak moment near the buffet over >a cup of coffee. > >And it had something to do with why I concentrated much more >on another course, started in earnest almost that very day. >It was a bit of a life-changer conversation, I guess, for one >person. > >Jon OK, yes one has to be in a way aggressive and flexible on morals to keep all those people in their jobs. Pity it does not help people to better software. They are trying very hard to stay in business, today I was reading that they now will pay and provide free soft to application developers for their new windows phone 7 .. In German: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Microsoft-lockt-App-Entwickler-fuer-Windows-Phone-7-mit-Geld-1037635.html They must be really under stress from Android.. If I had to bet I would say it must fall (MS). They even tried using their political influence to mark countries that support open source as 'copyright violators' and hit those with a trade embargo. US likes free trade, except when others are hurting their profits. I know Balmer types, in a way I respect them. But too much power makes a dangerous situation sometimes.
From: krw on 14 Jul 2010 20:12 On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:43:47 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Jon Kirwan wrote: >> I had a short discussion with him during a lunch break some >> years ago after a presentation he made here in Portland. I >> rephrased what I'd just seen him telling us as a group, but >> turning it inside out and explaining it in very different >> terms and then asked him, "So is that the upshot of what you >> just said out there?" >> >> He paused, then finally admitted, "Yes, I suppose so." The >> admission wasn't even close to the Gilded Lily version I'd >> just heard in public. > >Balmer's job is to essentially take anything that smells like rotten eggs >within Microsoft and present it, instead, as a basket full of roses. :-) He's also head of the dirty tricks division. >I mean, he really is the consummate salesman. :-) No, he's scum. Salesman is just an application. >> I wasn't happy to have had my worst impressions so readily >> confirmed, perhaps in such a weak moment near the buffet over >> a cup of coffee. > >Hey, at least he's honest! > >If you had to share a room with your choise of Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Bill >Gates, or Steve Ballmer, how would you order them? 1. Sarah Palin Well, you did say "share a room". ;-)
From: Robert Baer on 15 Jul 2010 04:51 Spehro Pefhany wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:32:14 -0700, the renowned John Larkin > <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:56:57 -0700, Jon Kirwan >> <jonk(a)infinitefactors.org> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 21:24:02 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>> <pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> No clue what 'OLE' is >>> You've missed out on Microsoft culture! It is "Object >>> Linking and Embedded" and is related to the IOleObject >>> interface. >>> >>> Jon >> PADS uses OLE to dynamically connect their schematic and a PCB layout >> programs. Make a change on one and it's instantly made on the other. >> Enabling OLE is guaranteed to corrupt the schematic, the layout, or >> both. >> >> One of my layout guys who liked to use the PADS OLE gave me a >> schematic to check. In the middle of sheet 9 was a color picture of >> his girlfriend. I didn't know that PADS-Logic could even incorporate >> photos. I tried to delete and it wouldn't. Turns out it was 12 copies >> deep, and if you kept at it, it would eventually go away. I can't >> imagine how she would have appeared on a netlist. * It was 12 times, because that was how many times she batted her eyes in an attempt to attract someone... >> >> John > > Love connection? > > > Best regards, > Spehro Pefhany
From: ehsjr on 15 Jul 2010 10:17
Joel Koltner wrote: <snip> > > Hey, at least he's honest! > > If you had to share a room with your choise of Steve Jobs, Steve > Wozniak, Bill Gates, or Steve Ballmer, how would you order them? > > ---Joel > "Get out of my room." Ed |