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From: Martin Schmitz on 16 Nov 2009 13:54 Lew Pitcher wrote: >> Kmail works fine here with cups with no special effort. In what way >> does it not work? > > You are a liar and a zealot and as such, the very worst enemy that > linux has. KMail works perfektly well with cups with no special effort. Martin
From: Sylvain Robitaille on 16 Nov 2009 15:01 On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:27:35 +0000, Roger Maynard, in a blatantly obvious attempt to misrepresent Lew Pitcher, wrote: > Linux is, just as unix always was, a complete failure when it comes > to printers. ... Not that it matters to this discussion, but I've managed printing with both commercial Unix (DEC/Compaq/HP/OSF-1/Tru64-Unix) and with Linux, collectively now for about 12 years. I won't claim that it's always been the easist aspect of system administration, but it has definitely improved, and most certainly has not been a "complete failure" at any time. One person's inability to work with specific software does not necessarily reflect on the quality of said software. > ... half of the printers out there, including ALL the economical > printers, will never work with linux. This definitely has not been my experience, though I've mostly used HP printers with Linux (and a very portable Canon inkjet, with pretty much no trouble). What's mostly lacking is vendor support and appropriate documentation, but this should not be misinterpretted to mean the functionality "can not" or "will never" work. The number of printer models I've tried is relatively small, but in practice it comes down to locating suitable support files for those models, and configuring the printer server software to use those. > ...the printer will ALWAYS work automagically on a windows > installation. As a matter of fact, this also turns out to be incorrect, as setting up a printer in Windows almost always requires installing vendor-supplied software ("driver") for the printer. That isn't automagic, and the only real difference from Linux is that the printer vendors are prepared to provide that software for Windows but not for Linux. > ... Former Linux User Oh good; so you won't be bothering us any longer ... -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl(a)encs.concordia.ca Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Sylvain Robitaille on 16 Nov 2009 17:13 On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:52:10 -0800 (PST), john(a)wexfordpress.com wrote: > When I changed to Slack 13 I first installed Cups. However several > programs I use regularly, including Kmail, did not communicate > properly with Cups. So a went back to lprng. I think that you've gotten some very good advice for this, that you should try: - remove lprng and reinstall CUPS (note that lprng is also reasonably good software; I met the author way back when it was still new, and based on that meeting I'm inclined to believe it's well written and likely works well in most basic environments; I also found that it's much more complicated to setup than it likely needs to be, but I came at it from a BSD lpr background; my sense then was that sysadmins coming from a System-V printing background likely found lprng to be a notable improvement). The point here is not to criticize lprng, but rather to emphasize that you'll likely reach the goal you're after more easily with CUPS (and that includes being able to print from your mail software as easily as any other software). - eliminate, by whatever means you can, the hardware printer switch. That's very likely part of the problem you're having, since you now have a printer daemon expecting two different printers to be attached to the same hardware port simultaneously. Linux isn't DOS. With DOS this sort of thing worked because each application was configured with appropriate printer drivers and you told the application which driver to use at print time. In Linux (as in other modern operating systems), the system is managing the printer(s), as a resource, to be used by any application. You really should have one printer attached to any single hardware port. That means you might have a printer on each of two computers, or obtain an add-on parallel port card for your system to attach the other printer to. Go with which ever approach you think will work best, then see what you can get on eBay for the A/B switch (but don't use it to switch between printers anymore). - your difficulty to print via CUPS from Kmail is a separate issue; Deal with that in a separate thread where you clearly describe the problem and symptoms. Folks will certainly provide help with that, but there's value in separating the general "printing to one of two printers" issue from the specific "printing from Kmail is failing" issue. I would add: - be patient, both with these issues, and with people's responses. Don't try to resolve things too quickly. Work on one problem at a time and work through suggestions in your mind and be sure you understand them before you attempt them on your computer. I hope this helps ... -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl(a)encs.concordia.ca Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Lew Pitcher on 16 Nov 2009 18:12
Aaron W. Hsu <arcfide(a)local> trolled: > Lew Pitcher <lewpitcher(a)lewpitcher.ca> writes: >>Always have a windows standalone, or a dual boot system, because the >>printer will ALWAYS work automagically on a windows installation. > Oh please. What utter nonsense. ?!? If you check the windows newsgroups you will see that very few people have problems getting a printer to work in windows. But that's a fact, and since you're a linux zealot...well, let's not get confused by facts... LewPitcher(a)lewpitcher.ca -- Official Website -->> http://lewpitcher.ca/ Something to look at: -->> http://www.emusclemag.com/ Lonely in Brampton? -->> http://gaypros.meetup.com/cities/ca/on/brampton/ Peel HIV/AIDS Network -->> http://www.phan.ca/home.html |