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From: Lew Pitcher on 16 Nov 2009 18:20 Sylvain Robitaille <syl(a)alcor.concordia.ca> trolled: > lewpitcher(a)lewpitcher wrote: > >> Linux is, just as unix always was, a complete failure when it comes >> to printers. ... > > Not that it matters to this discussion, but I've managed printing with > both commercial Unix (DEC/Compaq/HP/OSF-1/Tru64-Unix) and with Linux, > collectively now for about 12 years. I won't claim that it's always > been the easist aspect of system administration, but it has definitely > improved, and most certainly has not been a "complete failure" at any > time. One person's inability to work with specific software does not > necessarily reflect on the quality of said software. One person's inability? _One_ person? HAHAAHAHAHAHaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> ... half of the printers out there, including ALL the economical >> printers, will never work with linux. > This definitely has not been my experience, though I've mostly > used HP printers with Linux (and a very portable Canon inkjet, > with pretty much no trouble). How do the Dell (lexmark) printers work? Hmm? Not at all? > What's mostly lacking is vendor support and appropriate > documentation, but this should not be misinterpretted to mean the > functionality "can not" or "will never" work. The number of printer > models I've tried is relatively small, but in practice it comes down to > locating suitable support files for those models, and configuring the > printer server software to use those. Locating? Locating? Do you mean that process that windows uses when it automagically locates and invisibly installs the drivers that are almost always a part of the OS? Or do you mean doing endless google searches to locate, download, and mechanically install, a linux driver, and usually a deb or rpm at that? >> ...the printer will ALWAYS work automagically on a windows >> installation. > As a matter of fact, this also turns out to be incorrect, as setting up > a printer in Windows almost always requires installing vendor-supplied > software ("driver") for the printer. That isn't automagic, and the only > real difference from Linux is that the printer vendors are prepared to > provide that software for Windows but not for Linux. The _ONLY_ time you have to use vendor supplied printer software to install a windows printer is when your version of windows predates the printer. >> ... Former Linux User > > Oh good; so you won't be bothering us any longer ... Bothering? Moi? LewPitcher(a)lewpitcher.ca -- Official Website -->> http://lewpitcher.ca/ Something to look at: -->> http://www.emusclemag.com/ Lonely in Brampton? -->> http://gaypros.meetup.com/cities/ca/on/brampton/ Peel HIV/AIDS Network -->> http://www.phan.ca/home.html
From: Peter Chant on 16 Nov 2009 19:16 Lew Pitcher wrote: >> Kmail works fine here with cups with no special effort. In what way does >> it not work? > > You are a liar and a zealot and as such, the very worst enemy that > linux has. You are so transparent. Cordially as always. Pete -- http://www.petezilla.co.uk
From: Dan C on 16 Nov 2009 22:26 On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:50:40 -0800, john(a)wexfordpress.com wrote: > On Nov 15, 9:40 pm, Dan C <youmustbejok...(a)lan.invalid> wrote: >> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:52:10 -0800, j...(a)wexfordpress.com wrote: >> > When I changed to Slack 13 I first installed Cups. However several >> > programs I use regularly, including Kmail, did not communicate >> > properly with Cups. So a went back to lprng. >> >> > This caused a further problem. I have two printers, both parallel >> > port type, that work through >> > an A/B switch. The Ricoh printer, a Postscript 3 compatible laser, is >> > not a problem. But >> > The Epson Stylus Color 880 ink jet needs a special driver. I turned >> > to apsfilter to configure this printer. The current driver pips/sc880 >> > doesn't work and the Apsfilter project seems to be moribund. There >> > are no posts in the archives there since 2004. >> >> > I need a way to configure something, Cups or Lprng or a player to be >> > named later, so that I can use both printers and use them with all or >> > most all of my programs. >> >> > John Culleton >> >> Haven't we already been through this, ad nauseum? >> >> Use CUPS. Install the proper PPD file for your printer. Done. >> >> -- >> "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". >> "Bother!" said Pooh, as he garotted another passing Liberal. Usenet >> Improvement Project:http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ > > The proper ppd file won't help with the fact that Cups won't work with > Kmail. Nonsense. Of course it will. -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". "Bother!" said Pooh, as he garotted another passing Liberal. Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
From: Dan C on 16 Nov 2009 22:27 On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:52:02 +0000, Lew Pitcher wrote: > Res <res(a)ausics.net> trolled: > > top-posting deleted, unread. Jesus, now 'rm' is starting to sound like Alan Connor. A new low. -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". "Bother!" said Pooh, as he garotted another passing Liberal. Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
From: Sylvain Robitaille on 16 Nov 2009 22:57
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Roger Maynard, in a blatantly obvious attempt to misrepresent Lew Pitcher, wrote: > How do the Dell (lexmark) printers work? > Not at all? If that's the case, perhaps those models should simply be avoided then. The (non-Dell/Lexmark) models I've tried haven't been difficult to use with Linux. > Locating? Locating? Do you mean that process that windows uses > when it automagically locates and invisibly installs the drivers > that are almost always a part of the OS? In the case of recent versions (>= 10.0; this may also have been true at 9.x, but I really don't recall) of Slackware (which is the system on which I have the most experience with this), "locating" has amounted to finding the right file in the /usr/share/cups/model directory, and copying it, uncompressed into /etc/cups/ppd, and pointing CUPS to that. Prior to that I was using bsdlpr and a much simpler printer. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sylvain Robitaille syl(a)encs.concordia.ca Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |